What's the word from sacramento?

[brycejohnson]

pchop: Revolt? I am in.

Ryan: Thanks for your service. I know many of us appreciate it.

people who were there today: thanks for coming out.

everbody else: lets figure out how to work together and stop it from passing.

good hunting,
Bryce

[wanapasaki]

Thanks Bryce, were you there today?

[brycejohnson]

You know I was. Tough time. Like I said after seeing what happened today its gunna be tough to fight it in the future, but we can.

[pegleg]

Ill repeat myself again. Houndsmen,Coyote,Bear,Coon,Fox,Deer,Lion,Rabbit,Bobcat,Hog ,Squirrel,Etc. Need to form real associations for the Promotion, Protection and legal recognition of the sport and its cultural significance. Its superiority as a method of selective harvest of nuisance, or otherwise selected animal species and individuals of the species. Its ability to be used as a non lethal capture method or to combat habitation of predatory animals to humans.
All it takes is for ONE recognizable and trusted individual from each region to step forward and accept the responsibility of leading that regions association and working with their members. I understand its a huge burden but its the only way we will ever be able to win the fight. If we all form a organization that can call on its members for support and financial independence we can purchase the legal council and representation we need for OUR sport not piggy backing on other sporting organizations expecting them to promote our needs and expectations equal to their own. They are also at a disadvantage in representing our sport. They don't participate and may miss fundamental points or have a flawed concept of the sport themselves.
The public Concept of wild killer hounds running through the woods shredding every animal in its path is a major barrier to our support by the public. The anti's go to every school that allows them under one guise or another to tell our children every false hood they can conjour to garner support. We need to do the same show the public well kept,behaved and groomed flop eared hounds and puppies if you can. Put together work sheets of interesting age appropriate materials and use them to our favor. But this is most likely to happen only through a organization with the man power and support that's required to put something even this simple together. We miss huge opportunities. Where the red fern grows is still on many reading list and our arch enemy Disney has produced hound based movies presenting it in a positive light with youth as the main characters that we can use as ammo against them. It all boils down to if we want to be Americans hunting hounds on noble game or English poachers disguising our dog kennels and forced to hunt weasels and hares at night in city parks. In fear of being fined and having our hunting partners confiscated and put down as unsafe animals. Slipping them ioff leash in the dark or secluded areas. That's my view. We need to stand up state by state all together

[RIFLEMAN]

Hi All,

Thank you very much to those of you who could attend today's hearing. It was impressive to see the Capitol staff overwhelmed with our presence! Everybody remained respectful despite the gravity of the situation, and I thank you for that, too.

As noted, the vote came down as 5-3-1, which is essentially passage by a 5-4 vote. From here, the bill will be heard by the Appropriations Committee because it has been flagged as having impact on the fiscal health of California. In this committee, they will review only the degree to which it might impact this fiscal health, and all other considerations (fair/not fair, cruel/not cruel, GPS, etc) will not matter. Though we believe the fiscal impact of this bill is significant, Lieu (author), Steinberg (co-author), and Kehoe (voted yes today) are all on this seven-person committee. Tough odds.

If/when it passes Appropriations, it will eventually make it to the Senate Floor. This is where we will need to make our voices heard in a way unrivaled by today's presence. I need every single person that hunts with hounds or supports those that do to stand up, show up, and be counted. This will take a concerted effort from us all in order to defend this tradition. We'll be sure to provide more information as it becomes available.

Thanks again for proving just how dedicated we all are to our way of life.


-Josh
CHC President

[pchop]

I couldn't have said it better.

[George Streepy]

Ill repeat myself again. Houndsmen,Coyote,Bear,Coon,Fox,Deer,Lion,Rabbit,Bobcat,Hog ,Squirrel,Etc. Need to form real associations for the Promotion, Protection and legal recognition of the sport and its cultural significance.

If we all form a organization that can call on its members for support and financial independence we can purchase the legal council and representation we need for OUR sport not piggy backing on other sporting organizations expecting them to promote our needs and expectations equal to their own. They are also at a disadvantage in representing our sport. They don't participate and may miss fundamental points or have a flawed concept of the sport themselves.

There needs to be a national organization representing hound hunters. We need to figure out how to get Houndsmen from around the country to step up and contribute.

I am very sorry to hear about todays vote in California. We need to remember it is just a minor set back and not to loose hope or the desire to fight back.

[pchop]

As much as I hate to say it maybe this is a goods thing . The type of thing that bringing everyone together and gives us the incentive to create a group and put an end to this bs once and for all.

[pegleg]

Just one more truth. Its much easier to get a law or amendment passed then it is to repeal or defeat one. "LAW MAKERS" its a title they're quit proud of. A nation wide representation would be far more productive in defending us AND help Protect our sport by issuing information and guidelines to newcomers in their role of supporting the sport as well as putting laws on the books to protect us in the legal battles ahead. Don't think it will ever be over from this point forward. We must put in place legal provisions supporting the use of hounds as a viable method of wildlife harvest. The very state that's outlawing private pursuit of legal game species employs gov paid houndsmen to do the harvesting of these selfsame animals. If the cost of additional houndsmen needed in the future isn't considered the fiscal discussion and decision will be fundamentally flawed as it would be if they assume no more game and fish officers will need to be employed etc.

[bowtech36]

i agree a national representation of houndsmen as a whole would be a great idea.

[Unreal_tk]

In theory it would be great Pegleg, but its hard to get a old timer to even talk with another hounder much less get along. I think the younger crowd would be your target group for such an organization. Communication with local hound clubs would help alot for a membership base as well. I rarely donate or join groups like these because I don't know where my money goes (I am a untrusting individual). If such a group existed and showed progress I am sure people would join it.

EDIT: Also it would be best to serve the leisure hunters over the outfitters. Best to support both but when it comes down it, go with the every day Joe.

[DogLakeBlues]

I just joined another one that I saw in the current OHA magazine.It sounds good, here is the link for anyone who is interested http://oregonoutdoorcouncil.org/ Maybe they will help in California?

[Unreal_tk]

I just saw that ad as well doglake, I hadn't had a chance to look into it yet.

[pegleg]

I know a few "old timers" I could care less if they joined. If someone cares about all aspects of the sport then those are the people able to save it. If the club or associations would work on the proven elected representative democracy system and those people had the humility and desire to work with other clubs and representatives we would have a voice more in line with our actual numbers. We would be able to work on equal terms with other hunting organizations not as the forgotten orphans of hunting. Who do the quail,deer,etc hunters turn to when their game numbers are decimated by predators? We have more in common with the bird doggers then trappers do. Until HSUS learns it will cost them financially to harass us they will continue. Until we have our own public relations and legal team we will be the whipping boy of the HSUS. Why? Because everyone is to busy hiding running their mouth or making money to lend a helping hand to their brothers. A organization of houndsmen with even fifty percent membership and a twenty dollar fee would produce a enormous amount of capital to fight our battles with. It would also have the structure in place to fight these battles as they show up with out the struggle to build it quickly finance educate and support it then sway the public and legal community to our side in a few weeks or months. Why handcuff ourselves knowing the fight will come?
The HSUS has been defeated more often then not for many reasons. Primarily most Americans are reasonable and not stupid just ignorant in some topics. Second they are in the business solely to earn a profit not because they're providing a service of ANY type and they don't believe the shit they spout at least not at the top and they have a horrible track record of protecting any animal species. As we all know their solutions to all issues are to kill the animals in question and to piggyback any spot light issue while doing no work to provide for any animal. But as I said until we stop saying why it can't won't happen and push to organize we will be the target.

[pchop]

Very well said .