BILL INTRODUCED TO BAN PURSUIT OF BEAR AND BOBCAT IN CA
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Re: BILL INTRODUCED TO BAN PURSUIT OF BEAR AND BOBCAT IN CA
Pete, It is good to see a post of yours like your last one. Seems like you were getting side tracked with some of your previous threads and all i could do was shake my head. If you care to e-mail me some of the stuff your writing i would love to see it, Maybe i could even help you out a little bit with all of the research i have done. Let me know if you need my e-mail again.
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Re: BILL INTRODUCED TO BAN PURSUIT OF BEAR AND BOBCAT IN CA
Has Fish and Game said anything about this Bill?
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This is the bill in all it's bull shit
BILL NUMBER: SB 1221 AMENDED
BILL TEXT
AMENDED IN SENATE MARCH 26, 2012
INTRODUCED BY Senator Lieu
( Coauthor: Senator
Steinberg )
FEBRUARY 23, 2012
An act to amend Section 3960 of, and to repeal Section 4756
of, the Fish and Game Code, relating to air quality
mammals .
LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL'S DIGEST
SB 1221, as amended, Lieu. Air quality.
Mammals: use of dogs to pursue bears and bobcats.
Existing law prohibits a person from permitting a dog to pursue
any big game mammal, as defined, during the closed season, or any
fully protected, rare, or endangered mammal at any time. Employees of
the Department of Fish and Game are authorized to capture any dog
not under the reasonable control of its owner or handler, that is in
violation of that provision, or that is inflicting, or immediately
threatening to inflict, injury in violation of this provision. Under
existing law, certain violations of the Fish and Game Code are
misdemeanors. Existing law prohibits a person from using dogs to
hunt, pursue, or molest bears, except under certain conditions.
This bill would prohibit a person from permitting a dog to pursue
a bear or bobcat at any time. This bill would exempt from that
prohibition the use of dogs by federal, state, or local law
enforcement officers, or their agents or employees, when carrying out
official duties as required by law.
By changing the definition of a crime, this bill would impose a
state-mandated local program.
The California Constitution requires the state to reimburse local
agencies and school districts for certain costs mandated by the
state. Statutory provisions establish procedures for making that
reimbursement.
This bill would provide that no reimbursement is required by this
act for a specified reason.
Under existing law, the State Air Resources Board coordinates
efforts to attain and maintain ambient air quality standards, and
conducts research into the causes of and solution to air pollution.
This bill would state that it is the intent of the Legislature to
enact legislation to ensure that adverse effects to public health
from air pollution are minimized at regional sources, such as
airports, ports, and highways.
Vote: majority. Appropriation: no. Fiscal committee: no
yes . State-mandated local program: no
yes .
THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS:
SECTION 1. Section 3960 of the Fish and
Game Code is amended to read:
3960. It (a) (1)
For the purpose of this section, "pursue" means
pursue, run, or chase.
(2) For the purpose of this section, "bear" means any black bear,
brown bear, or any other subspecies of bear found in the wild in this
state.
(b) It is unlawful to permit or
allow any dog to pursue any big game mammal during the closed season
on such that mammal, to pursue any
fully protected, rare, or endangered mammal at any time, to
pursue any bear or bobcat at any time, or to pursue any mammal
in a game refuge or ecological reserve if hunting within
such that refuge or ecological reserve is
unlawful.
Employees of the department may capture
(c) (1) The department may take any of the following actions:
(A) Capture any dog not under the
reasonable control of its owner or handler, when such
that uncontrolled dog is pursuing, in violation
of this section, any big game mammal , any bear or
bobcat, or any fully protected, rare, or endangered mammal.
Employees of the department may capture
(B) Capture or dispatch any dog
inflicting injury or immediately threatening to inflict injury to any
big game mammal during the closed season on such
that mammal, and they the
department may capture or dispatch any dog inflicting injury or
immediately threatening to inflict injury on any bear or bobcat
at any time, or any fully protected, rare, or endangered
mammal at any time.
Employees of the department may capture
(C) Capture or dispatch any dog
inflicting injury or immediately threatening to inflict injury to any
mammal in a game refuge or ecological reserve if hunting within
such that refuge or ecological reserve
is unlawful.
No
(2) No criminal or civil
liability shall accrue to any department employee as a result of
enforcement of this section. For the purpose of this
section, "pursue" means pursue, run, or chase.
(3) This section does not apply to the use of dogs to pursue bears
or bobcats by federal, state, or local law enforcement officers, or
their agents or employees, when carrying out official duties as
required by law.
Owners
(4) Owners of dogs with
identification, that have been captured or dispatched, shall be
notified within 72 hours after capture or dispatch.
SEC. 2. Section 4756 of the Fish and
Game Code is repealed.
4756. Except as provided in this section it is unlawful to use
dogs to hunt, pursue, or molest bears.
The use of one dog per hunter is permitted for the hunting of
bears during the time that the season is open for the taking of deer
in the area of the state affected.
The use of more than one dog per hunter is permitted in the
hunting of bears during the open season on bears in the area of the
state affected except during the period when archery deer seasons or
regular deer seasons are open.
SEC. 3. No reimbursement is required by this act
pursuant to Section 6 of Article XIII B of the California
Constitution because the only costs that may be incurred by a local
agency or school district will be incurred because this act creates a
new crime or infraction, eliminates a crime or infraction, or
changes the penalty for a crime or infraction, within the meaning of
Section 17556 of the Government Code, or changes the definition of a
crime within the meaning of Section 6 of Article XIII B of the
California Constitution.
SECTION 1. It is the intent of the Legislature
to enact legislation to ensure that adverse effects to public health
from air pollution are minimized at regional sources, such as
airports, ports, and highways.
BILL NUMBER: SB 1221 AMENDED
BILL TEXT
AMENDED IN SENATE MARCH 26, 2012
INTRODUCED BY Senator Lieu
( Coauthor: Senator
Steinberg )
FEBRUARY 23, 2012
An act to amend Section 3960 of, and to repeal Section 4756
of, the Fish and Game Code, relating to air quality
mammals .
LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL'S DIGEST
SB 1221, as amended, Lieu. Air quality.
Mammals: use of dogs to pursue bears and bobcats.
Existing law prohibits a person from permitting a dog to pursue
any big game mammal, as defined, during the closed season, or any
fully protected, rare, or endangered mammal at any time. Employees of
the Department of Fish and Game are authorized to capture any dog
not under the reasonable control of its owner or handler, that is in
violation of that provision, or that is inflicting, or immediately
threatening to inflict, injury in violation of this provision. Under
existing law, certain violations of the Fish and Game Code are
misdemeanors. Existing law prohibits a person from using dogs to
hunt, pursue, or molest bears, except under certain conditions.
This bill would prohibit a person from permitting a dog to pursue
a bear or bobcat at any time. This bill would exempt from that
prohibition the use of dogs by federal, state, or local law
enforcement officers, or their agents or employees, when carrying out
official duties as required by law.
By changing the definition of a crime, this bill would impose a
state-mandated local program.
The California Constitution requires the state to reimburse local
agencies and school districts for certain costs mandated by the
state. Statutory provisions establish procedures for making that
reimbursement.
This bill would provide that no reimbursement is required by this
act for a specified reason.
Under existing law, the State Air Resources Board coordinates
efforts to attain and maintain ambient air quality standards, and
conducts research into the causes of and solution to air pollution.
This bill would state that it is the intent of the Legislature to
enact legislation to ensure that adverse effects to public health
from air pollution are minimized at regional sources, such as
airports, ports, and highways.
Vote: majority. Appropriation: no. Fiscal committee: no
yes . State-mandated local program: no
yes .
THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS:
SECTION 1. Section 3960 of the Fish and
Game Code is amended to read:
3960. It (a) (1)
For the purpose of this section, "pursue" means
pursue, run, or chase.
(2) For the purpose of this section, "bear" means any black bear,
brown bear, or any other subspecies of bear found in the wild in this
state.
(b) It is unlawful to permit or
allow any dog to pursue any big game mammal during the closed season
on such that mammal, to pursue any
fully protected, rare, or endangered mammal at any time, to
pursue any bear or bobcat at any time, or to pursue any mammal
in a game refuge or ecological reserve if hunting within
such that refuge or ecological reserve is
unlawful.
Employees of the department may capture
(c) (1) The department may take any of the following actions:
(A) Capture any dog not under the
reasonable control of its owner or handler, when such
that uncontrolled dog is pursuing, in violation
of this section, any big game mammal , any bear or
bobcat, or any fully protected, rare, or endangered mammal.
Employees of the department may capture
(B) Capture or dispatch any dog
inflicting injury or immediately threatening to inflict injury to any
big game mammal during the closed season on such
that mammal, and they the
department may capture or dispatch any dog inflicting injury or
immediately threatening to inflict injury on any bear or bobcat
at any time, or any fully protected, rare, or endangered
mammal at any time.
Employees of the department may capture
(C) Capture or dispatch any dog
inflicting injury or immediately threatening to inflict injury to any
mammal in a game refuge or ecological reserve if hunting within
such that refuge or ecological reserve
is unlawful.
No
(2) No criminal or civil
liability shall accrue to any department employee as a result of
enforcement of this section. For the purpose of this
section, "pursue" means pursue, run, or chase.
(3) This section does not apply to the use of dogs to pursue bears
or bobcats by federal, state, or local law enforcement officers, or
their agents or employees, when carrying out official duties as
required by law.
Owners
(4) Owners of dogs with
identification, that have been captured or dispatched, shall be
notified within 72 hours after capture or dispatch.
SEC. 2. Section 4756 of the Fish and
Game Code is repealed.
4756. Except as provided in this section it is unlawful to use
dogs to hunt, pursue, or molest bears.
The use of one dog per hunter is permitted for the hunting of
bears during the time that the season is open for the taking of deer
in the area of the state affected.
The use of more than one dog per hunter is permitted in the
hunting of bears during the open season on bears in the area of the
state affected except during the period when archery deer seasons or
regular deer seasons are open.
SEC. 3. No reimbursement is required by this act
pursuant to Section 6 of Article XIII B of the California
Constitution because the only costs that may be incurred by a local
agency or school district will be incurred because this act creates a
new crime or infraction, eliminates a crime or infraction, or
changes the penalty for a crime or infraction, within the meaning of
Section 17556 of the Government Code, or changes the definition of a
crime within the meaning of Section 6 of Article XIII B of the
California Constitution.
SECTION 1. It is the intent of the Legislature
to enact legislation to ensure that adverse effects to public health
from air pollution are minimized at regional sources, such as
airports, ports, and highways.
Re: BILL INTRODUCED TO BAN PURSUIT OF BEAR AND BOBCAT IN CA
Upon watching your coverage on 1221 I must respectfully disagree. I found several things wrong with that story and felt it only fair that if you have never been hunting with dogs you understand that the collars are not gps and the tracking collars that the hounds wear are to keep them from getting lost, not to have an un-fair advantage on the bear. A hunter uses the sounds of his hounds barks as a locator on where it is with its game that he/she has caught. Hunters train their hounds from pups and study and learn these barks because for each bark they have meaning. Animal curlty is wrong and the video you found on the internet of the hunters with the bear on the ground is not fair to class every dog hunter with those people. But just like every sport, job, and someone in politics their is going to be someone who tarnishes things for others. As a mother, If I felt that it was cruel in any way shape or form, I would not let my child be involved in the sport. My husband has been hunting for several years now. He has caught more bears and took photos than anything else. I believe that maybe he has taken 2 out of all his years of hunting.
I find it appalling that Senator Lieu would say that he did not realize that bear hunting with hounds was legal in California! How can one not know the laws of our state in his position? If Senators do not have to know the laws of the state that they help govern, Shame on our State! It is no wonder why it is slowly going from a once great place to be to a messy joke!
People need to understand the outcome this will have should hound hunting become illegal in this state. Our State is already struggling financially and the money that hunters spend to dog hunt will be most likely be spent in another state. In the dire state our country is in we need all the money we need coming in not going out.
Hound hunting has been around for centuries and to slowly take away tradition is not only going to hurt the houndsman, it will hurt our economy. Once hunting is abolished all together billions of dollars will be lost for our state not to mention the horrible effect it will have on our land management.
I think that before you make up your mind solely based on a video that is found on the internet you should go on hunting and see for your self how things are done. Go to some houndsman meetings and see what they do and talk about. Meet these people and their families.. Then you will have the right to judgement on weather its cruel or not. See how these hounds love what they do.. and also look at the children that get to hunt with their dads and moms. Then pass judgement.
Thank you for your time.
Heather Matlock Doran
The republican is the only form of government which is not eternally at open or secret war with the rights of mankind.
Thomas Jefferson -
I find it appalling that Senator Lieu would say that he did not realize that bear hunting with hounds was legal in California! How can one not know the laws of our state in his position? If Senators do not have to know the laws of the state that they help govern, Shame on our State! It is no wonder why it is slowly going from a once great place to be to a messy joke!
People need to understand the outcome this will have should hound hunting become illegal in this state. Our State is already struggling financially and the money that hunters spend to dog hunt will be most likely be spent in another state. In the dire state our country is in we need all the money we need coming in not going out.
Hound hunting has been around for centuries and to slowly take away tradition is not only going to hurt the houndsman, it will hurt our economy. Once hunting is abolished all together billions of dollars will be lost for our state not to mention the horrible effect it will have on our land management.
I think that before you make up your mind solely based on a video that is found on the internet you should go on hunting and see for your self how things are done. Go to some houndsman meetings and see what they do and talk about. Meet these people and their families.. Then you will have the right to judgement on weather its cruel or not. See how these hounds love what they do.. and also look at the children that get to hunt with their dads and moms. Then pass judgement.
Thank you for your time.
Heather Matlock Doran
The republican is the only form of government which is not eternally at open or secret war with the rights of mankind.
Thomas Jefferson -
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The letter above is from my wife that she sent out. She is a hunter but does not go to often due to work. So she knows first hand and she protects her boy. Which she is also standing up for.
Re: BILL INTRODUCED TO BAN PURSUIT OF BEAR AND BOBCAT IN CA
If you look into the B.S. propaganda that the HSUS is trying to sell to get this passed most of there reasoning is already illegal. If your dogs do any damage to live stock the owner of the dogs are responsible for reimbursement of damages, if you treat you dog inhumanly you can be prosecuted, if you dogs catch a cub on the ground and it gets hurt or killed you are responsible, there's hardly any part of what they are claiming that this law will do that is not already illegal, so by passing this law the state will have to enforce the same laws without the benefit of the money that F&G get from the sale of bear tags.
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Edited my post because it was just venting. I'm very passionate about my hound hunting and can sometimes let my feeling get the better part of me and lose my focus.
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DFG's Response to S.B. 1221
Back in mid-April I emailed Warden Nancy Foley, head of law enforcement for Fish and Game and I asked her for an official comment on S.B. 1221. On April 11 I recieved an email from
Susan T. LaGrande, Deputy Director of the Office of Legislation for the Department of Fish and Game. She wrote "At this time the Department does not have an official positon on S.B. 1221 and is unable to comment on the bill." Now on the other hand you have Judd Hanna, former California Fish and Game Commissioner, current CalTIP Foundation President and President of the California Game Wardens Foundation coming out in support of the bill at the Water and Resources Committee meeting. Just a fun fact: Jennifer Fearing of the HSUS is a board member of CalTIP! I am going to email her again this week to see if Fish and Game's official positon has changed or not. Next time you see a Warden ask them what they think about the bill. I find the connections between the antis and CalTIP to be pretty disturbing, especially the one with the Wardens Foundation. Susan T. LaGrandes phone number is (916)651-6719. See you at the meeting next week. -Pete
Susan T. LaGrande, Deputy Director of the Office of Legislation for the Department of Fish and Game. She wrote "At this time the Department does not have an official positon on S.B. 1221 and is unable to comment on the bill." Now on the other hand you have Judd Hanna, former California Fish and Game Commissioner, current CalTIP Foundation President and President of the California Game Wardens Foundation coming out in support of the bill at the Water and Resources Committee meeting. Just a fun fact: Jennifer Fearing of the HSUS is a board member of CalTIP! I am going to email her again this week to see if Fish and Game's official positon has changed or not. Next time you see a Warden ask them what they think about the bill. I find the connections between the antis and CalTIP to be pretty disturbing, especially the one with the Wardens Foundation. Susan T. LaGrandes phone number is (916)651-6719. See you at the meeting next week. -Pete
Bar K Black and Tans Placerville CA
"We must indeed all hang together, or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately" -Benjamin Franklin replying to John Hancock's remark that the revolutionaries should be unanimous in their action. July 4, 1776 at the signing of the Declaration of Independence
"We must indeed all hang together, or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately" -Benjamin Franklin replying to John Hancock's remark that the revolutionaries should be unanimous in their action. July 4, 1776 at the signing of the Declaration of Independence
Re: BILL INTRODUCED TO BAN PURSUIT OF BEAR AND BOBCAT IN CA
Senate Appropriations Committee:
Senator Christine Kehoe (Chair)
State Capitol, Room 5050
Sacramento, CA 95814
Phone: (916) 651-4039
Fax: (916) 327-2188
Senator Mimi Walters (Vice Chair)
State Capitol, Room 3082
Sacramento, CA 95814
Phone: (916) 651-4033
Fax: (916) 445-9754
Senator Elaine Alquist
State Capitol, Room 5080
Sacramento, CA 95814
Phone: (916) 651-4013
Fax: (916) 324-0283
Senator Bob Dutton
State Capitol, Room 5097
Sacramento, CA 95814
Phone: (916) 651-4031
Fax: (916) 327-2272
Senator Ted Lieu
State Capitol, Room 4090
Sacramento, CA 95814
Phone: (916) 651-4028
Fax: (916) 323-6056
Senator Curren Price
State Capitol, Room 2057
Sacramento, CA 95814
Phone: (916) 651-4026
Fax: (916) 445-8899
President Pro Tempore Darrell Steinberg
State Capitol, Room 205
Sacramento, CA 95814
Phone: (916) 651-4006
Fax: (916) 323-2263
Senator Christine Kehoe (Chair)
State Capitol, Room 5050
Sacramento, CA 95814
Phone: (916) 651-4039
Fax: (916) 327-2188
Senator Mimi Walters (Vice Chair)
State Capitol, Room 3082
Sacramento, CA 95814
Phone: (916) 651-4033
Fax: (916) 445-9754
Senator Elaine Alquist
State Capitol, Room 5080
Sacramento, CA 95814
Phone: (916) 651-4013
Fax: (916) 324-0283
Senator Bob Dutton
State Capitol, Room 5097
Sacramento, CA 95814
Phone: (916) 651-4031
Fax: (916) 327-2272
Senator Ted Lieu
State Capitol, Room 4090
Sacramento, CA 95814
Phone: (916) 651-4028
Fax: (916) 323-6056
Senator Curren Price
State Capitol, Room 2057
Sacramento, CA 95814
Phone: (916) 651-4026
Fax: (916) 445-8899
President Pro Tempore Darrell Steinberg
State Capitol, Room 205
Sacramento, CA 95814
Phone: (916) 651-4006
Fax: (916) 323-2263
Re: BILL INTRODUCED TO BAN PURSUIT OF BEAR AND BOBCAT IN CA
Hi Pete,
Unfortunately, legislation is exempt from having to fall within the guidelines of CEQA; the very body that crafted the CEQA language gets to ignore that language...go figure.
But I've been at this for over three years now and I know a few things like I am pretty sure the bill falls under the auspices of CEQA, the California Environmental Quality Act. So just like they screwed us with regards to opening up San Luis Obispo County to bear hunting with CEQA we shall screw them back on 1221 with CEQA, I hope.
Unfortunately, legislation is exempt from having to fall within the guidelines of CEQA; the very body that crafted the CEQA language gets to ignore that language...go figure.
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Sample letter to get out to the Appropriations Committee members
You can also add in what you have spent in the last to this letter
The Honorable Senator (Insert Senator’s First and Last Name Here)
California State Senate
State Capitol
Sacramento, CA 95814
RE: SB 1221 (Lieu) – OPPOSE
Dear Senator (Insert Senator’s Last Name Here)
I am writing to ask you to oppose SB 1221, legislation which would prohibit the use of a dog to hunt or pursue a bear or bobcat.
Over 5,000 bear tags are sold each year to individuals who only hunt bears with hounds. As a result, if SB 1221 passes into law, the Department of Fish and Game will lose over $200,000 annually in tag revenue, and tens of thousands of dollars more in general hunting license revenue. The Department of Fish and Game cannot afford to lose these much needed conservation dollars.
Proposing to make this change in the Legislature would completely avoid the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) – the process established by the Legislature to ensure that decisions which impact our natural resources are made following thorough environmental review. These decisions are appropriately made pursuant to CEQA, in public forum, and based upon the best available science by the California Fish and Game Commission.
Our community is currently facing serious issues which are in need of the immediate attention of our representatives at the State Capitol. Budget cuts to critically needed social programs, as well as to our local schools are severely impacting all of us. Unemployment rates remain high, businesses continue to close, and more of your constituents are losing their homes to foreclosure and filing for bankruptcy each and every day. I am very concerned that, instead of dealing with these very real issues that we have elected our state representatives to address, the Legislature is spending their time considering whether or not dogs should be used to hunt bears.
I ask you to focus your attention on the much more pressing needs facing our community and our state, and not annually take hundreds of thousands of dollars in critically needed funds from the Department of Fish and Game. Please vote “no” on SB 1221.
Sincerely,
You can also add in what you have spent in the last to this letter
The Honorable Senator (Insert Senator’s First and Last Name Here)
California State Senate
State Capitol
Sacramento, CA 95814
RE: SB 1221 (Lieu) – OPPOSE
Dear Senator (Insert Senator’s Last Name Here)
I am writing to ask you to oppose SB 1221, legislation which would prohibit the use of a dog to hunt or pursue a bear or bobcat.
Over 5,000 bear tags are sold each year to individuals who only hunt bears with hounds. As a result, if SB 1221 passes into law, the Department of Fish and Game will lose over $200,000 annually in tag revenue, and tens of thousands of dollars more in general hunting license revenue. The Department of Fish and Game cannot afford to lose these much needed conservation dollars.
Proposing to make this change in the Legislature would completely avoid the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) – the process established by the Legislature to ensure that decisions which impact our natural resources are made following thorough environmental review. These decisions are appropriately made pursuant to CEQA, in public forum, and based upon the best available science by the California Fish and Game Commission.
Our community is currently facing serious issues which are in need of the immediate attention of our representatives at the State Capitol. Budget cuts to critically needed social programs, as well as to our local schools are severely impacting all of us. Unemployment rates remain high, businesses continue to close, and more of your constituents are losing their homes to foreclosure and filing for bankruptcy each and every day. I am very concerned that, instead of dealing with these very real issues that we have elected our state representatives to address, the Legislature is spending their time considering whether or not dogs should be used to hunt bears.
I ask you to focus your attention on the much more pressing needs facing our community and our state, and not annually take hundreds of thousands of dollars in critically needed funds from the Department of Fish and Game. Please vote “no” on SB 1221.
Sincerely,
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Re: BILL INTRODUCED TO BAN PURSUIT OF BEAR AND BOBCAT IN CA
Fellow Houndsmen and Houndswomen,
I would like to express my extreme gratitude to all of you that have done a terrific job taking a stand against SB 1221.
On behalf of CHC I would like to say thank you for all your support please do not stop sending your letters to your Senators informing them how their decisions will strongly impact the economy, let them know how much you spend each year by hound hunting...
Please communicate with all your friends and hunting supporters to join you on this fight and Opposition to SB 1221.
The appropriations meeting is scheduled for May 7th, however, we are asking that you refrain from attending as your attendance will have no real merit due to the topic at hand which is what impact will this Bill have financially?
Once again, we encourage everyone to stay focused and refrain from negative statements and refrain from lashing out in a defeated approach. WE ARE nowhere done nor will we be Defeated!
WE will demonstrate in numbers that we are a group not to reckon with...Our Heritage and Traditions are here to stay and we will be heard...
Furthermore, refrain from contacting Media, all Media... We as houndsmen, must stay United, we will not allow the Antis’ to divide and conquer!
Stay Strong and do not fret we will Defeat this BILL!!!
George Checa
I would like to express my extreme gratitude to all of you that have done a terrific job taking a stand against SB 1221.
On behalf of CHC I would like to say thank you for all your support please do not stop sending your letters to your Senators informing them how their decisions will strongly impact the economy, let them know how much you spend each year by hound hunting...
Please communicate with all your friends and hunting supporters to join you on this fight and Opposition to SB 1221.
The appropriations meeting is scheduled for May 7th, however, we are asking that you refrain from attending as your attendance will have no real merit due to the topic at hand which is what impact will this Bill have financially?
Once again, we encourage everyone to stay focused and refrain from negative statements and refrain from lashing out in a defeated approach. WE ARE nowhere done nor will we be Defeated!
WE will demonstrate in numbers that we are a group not to reckon with...Our Heritage and Traditions are here to stay and we will be heard...
Furthermore, refrain from contacting Media, all Media... We as houndsmen, must stay United, we will not allow the Antis’ to divide and conquer!
Stay Strong and do not fret we will Defeat this BILL!!!
George Checa
"Semper Fidelis"
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Re: BILL INTRODUCED TO BAN PURSUIT OF BEAR AND BOBCAT IN CA
Well anyone can still feel free to contact me, a member of "the media" and my attendance at the May 7 meeting will have some damn merit. The financial impact of this bill would be huge and every battle needs to be fought. I may not be on the "front lines" in this fight but I am in it, and I am in it to win it. Today I had a phone conversation with Judd Hanna, former California Fish and Game Commission member, current CalTIP Foundation President, and current California Game Wardens Association President regarding S.B. 1221 and it scared the shit out of me. When I mentioned that hound hunting was a grand American tradition dating back to the founding of our country he came back with a few American traditions that had gone by the wayside: the wearing of coon skin caps and lynching! Overall it was a very civil and informative call and we agreed to talk again. A few hours later I recieved a short email from him:
"The main point is to prevent this from going viral-to a state wide
ballot measure. Then all hunters and hunting are exposed to the ax.
This is an issue to just accept and move on. Best regards Judd"
Sorry Judd, you are a day late and a dollar short. All hunters and hunting are already exposed to the ax of the HSUS and their minion politicians. See you all next Monday.
-Pete
"The main point is to prevent this from going viral-to a state wide
ballot measure. Then all hunters and hunting are exposed to the ax.
This is an issue to just accept and move on. Best regards Judd"
Sorry Judd, you are a day late and a dollar short. All hunters and hunting are already exposed to the ax of the HSUS and their minion politicians. See you all next Monday.
-Pete
Bar K Black and Tans Placerville CA
"We must indeed all hang together, or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately" -Benjamin Franklin replying to John Hancock's remark that the revolutionaries should be unanimous in their action. July 4, 1776 at the signing of the Declaration of Independence
"We must indeed all hang together, or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately" -Benjamin Franklin replying to John Hancock's remark that the revolutionaries should be unanimous in their action. July 4, 1776 at the signing of the Declaration of Independence
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yeager
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Re: BILL INTRODUCED TO BAN PURSUIT OF BEAR AND BOBCAT IN CA
Pete, your right, anyone can attend the meeting on the 7th but as we have been advised it will most likely be a close door meeting and your attendance will be unnoticed.
Also, in regards to the Media, I was urging folks to refrain from speaking with Mr. Noyles or Channel 7 and any other main stream as I also believe that they will not have our best interest...
Good Luck
Yeager
Also, in regards to the Media, I was urging folks to refrain from speaking with Mr. Noyles or Channel 7 and any other main stream as I also believe that they will not have our best interest...
Good Luck
Yeager
"Semper Fidelis"
Re: BILL INTRODUCED TO BAN PURSUIT OF BEAR AND BOBCAT IN CA
the Department of Fish and Game will lose over $200,000 annually in tag revenue, and tens of thousands of dollars more in general hunting license revenue.
That doesn't seem like very much money
the DFG will just raise hunting licence fees,
it's got to be more money than that?
We aready got 3 votes aganist us, what about the other 4?