BILL INTRODUCED TO BAN PURSUIT OF BEAR AND BOBCAT IN CA

[mark miller]

Some of the misconceptions are that we use tracking systems on are dogs to make it easer to kill bears that is fare from the truth its like this, my fourteen your old daughter has a cell phone she walks 5 blocks to school for the last too years on her way to school I've never had to call her and she made it just fine some times after school she gets side tracked whether at a friends house or after school activities that she forgot to mention at witch time I call her to put my mind at ease and to see when she will be home . the dogs are the same when i let them go on a track I can here them and when they tree i can follow there voices to the tree but if they loose the track and i want them back so i don't have to worry about them getting hurt i can find them with the tracking system thats it no more no less. I'm tired of that misconception it's been talked about way to much by are foes the last time at the capitol.

[outlaw13]

Pete, your right, anyone can attend the meeting on the 7th but as we have been advised it will most likely be a close door meeting and your attendance will be unnoticed.
Also, in regards to the Media, I was urging folks to refrain from speaking with Mr. Noyles or Channel 7 and any other main stream as I also believe that they will not have our best interest...
Good Luck
Yeager

How can you expect the public to hear your perspective if you don't talk to the media? I have no one's interests in mind besides telling as accurate and balanced of a story as I can. I'll be there Monday.

Dan Noyes
ABC 7 News
dan.noyes@abc.com

Baffles me that i have sent you PM's and even asked you questions on this forum right here and you will never answer one of them. The fact that you say that you have no one's interests in mind is complete BS. You have your own interests in mind. Accurate, Really, you must be delusional or completely stupid to think that the video you had aired in any way accurately portrays bear hunting with hounds or any hunting with hounds. Conflict and lies sell and that is what you will air to feed the bleeding heart liberals of this state who are too stupid to understand the truth. (that is where the ratings are right). Dan Noyes i believe you obviously fall into this category for believing the lies of the HSUS along with the audacity of this bill (1221). If you did any kind of investigative journalism you would realize that you have only been reporting lies from the side that supports this bill. The media sways public opinion and you know that. To report lies and act blind to the whole situation shows the true kind of human being that you really are and that is not much of a real human being at all.

[Dale T]

This directly out of the Bear Managment plan from the dept. of Fish and Game from 1998


1.3. Hunting Recreation

Existing regulations provide for a 23-day archery only season beginning in August and a separate

general bear season which opens concurrently with the general deer season in the A,B,C, and D

deer hunting zones. Bear season is closed when 1,500 bears are reported taken or on the last

Sunday in December. Dogs can only be used for the pursuit and take of bears during the general

bear season and hunters are limited to using one dog per hunter in areas where the general deer

season is open. There is not a separate dog training season and bait cannot be used. The current

level of harvest is considered biologically conservative and allows for diverse hunting activities. Bear

hunting presently provides recreation for 15,000 people in California. Bear hunters typically spend

over 100,000 days hunting bears each year.

Hunting can contribute significant income for to local economies, especially in rural areas. In

1991, hunting for all species was estimated to generate over $530 million in California (Southwick

Associates 1993). During a recent survey, it was determined that bear hunters spend over $8 million

to hunt bears each year (California Department of Fish and Game 1995). In comparison, deer hunting

and viewing were shown to contribute $230 million per year to the California economy (Loomis et al

1989).

Bears range throughout almost all of the mountainous regions and legal bear hunting is allowed

in almost every portion of the state. Most hunters have the opportunity to hunt bears within 100 miles

of their homes. Access to bear hunting areas can be gained through a variety of roads ranging from

interstate highways to unpaved logging roads.

$129,000.00 my ASS!

[outlaw13]

8 Million dollars in 1995 is equal to $12,041,574.80 in 2012 according to inflation.

[Peter Meyer]

S.B. 1221 is illegal, it violates CEQA, the California Environmental Quality Act, and if passed will cost the state money it can't afford in a lawsuit to stop it. The HSUS screwed us in 09 with CEQA now we are going to screw them right back. You can't have it both ways. See you all on Monday morning. "Audentes fortuna juvat" - "Fortune favors the bold" -Pete

[CRA]

Mark Miller,

I like your way of analogy. You are 100% right! The HSUS and Senators kept referring to our old outdated required by California law 1970's telemetry systems as new high tech GPS monitoring systems. The only updates to telemetry is the tree switches which were banned in California many years ago.

It shows just how little research that some Senators actually put into this senate bill before determining their vote. They were voting with emotions and feelings and not facts and education. It was clear that certain Senators did absolutely no research on hound hunting and the current California laws pertaining toward hound hunting prior to the Senate committee on Natural Resources and Water hearing. The Senators bit hook, line, and sinker into the HSUS sweeping statements about hound hunting and all the false and misleading statements that the HSUS made about hound hunting.

The CHC lobbyists have went to every senators office and gave them the true facts about our telemetry systems and California's laws regarding the removal of harvested bear meat. It seemed that some Senators were under the impression that California hound hunters were only trophy hunters and just left all the Bear meat in the field. Again the Senators were advised that it was and still is California law that all harvested Bears meat has to be removed from the field.

This bill was generated in a shotgun fashion. CHC and COHA had very little time to prepare for this senate bill prior to it going to the Committee. I believe it was Senator Lieu and Senator Steinberg, "backed, funded, and motivated" by the HSUS to use this "Surprise" & Shotgun approach to prevent hound hunters from quickly uniting together and coming together with a fight plan. I believe the author's and HSUS plan was to fast track this bill before the California hound hunters could educate the California Senators and the general public.

These are just my opinions and beliefs and i'm not speaking for CHC or any other hound organization.

[lepcur]

I'll see you all there in the morning, BE THERE. Mike

[JCK]

Hey Pete Meyer,
Just want to say thanks. Good article in May Full Cry. I , like everyone I'm sure, have been so disheartened by this latest example of our countries hi-jacking by unAmerican, socialist and atheistic scum. However, the last line posing the question "If hunting with hounds is outlawed, will you be an outlaw?" I am not ready to give up this fight but either way it goes, the answer is yes. At the time of the signing of the Declaration of Independence each man by his signature became an outlaw to his oppressors. I hope they read this cause if we lose this fight in the courts my next fight is in the woods!
p.s. I'm not saying that's what Pete Meyer is advocating, that is just where I stand.

[Peter Meyer]

I am a law abiding citizen. I wear my seat belt, I don't drive and talk on a cell phone, blah, blah blah. What happens when you are faced with obeying an unjust law? S.B. 1221 will really suck for the wardens, the bill isn't fair to them either. Again, I am pretty sure that S.B. 1221 falls under the auspices of CEQA, the California Environmental Quality Act and that will stop it in its' tracks if the governor signs it. See you all tomorrow morning. -Pete

[brian j cerelli]

so.... hows it looking?

[Started]

http://sapro.senate.ca.gov/agenda


can listen to the meeting live at the above site

[brian j cerelli]

5-2 not good

[DirtAddict]

railroaded again. The deck was stacked against us.

Kehoe and Lieu are both on the Appropriations Committee. Kehoe was on the Natural Resources Committee, and voted for SB1221, and Lieu co-authored the bill (along with Steinberg who is also on the Appropriations Committee).

It was amazing to hear Kehoe basically throw out the recommendation of the Dept. of Finance to suspend this Bill, by casting doubt on their numbers. This is THEIR OWN analysis! Of course, she was happy to highlight the "costs" mentioned by the SB1221 supporters...costs that were anecdotal, from biased sources, and not able to be verified. For example, supposedly hound hunting puts a burden on Game Wardens due to increased poaching (can I have proof that hound hunters represent a larger percentage of poachers?). Another good one was the financial burden of hounds having to be adopted out or put down because houndsmen just leave their dogs in the woods. You gotta be kidding me! Where's the proof of that?

Just so many lies thrown out there by the pro-SB1221 group. Statements that can't be backed up should be challenged in the open. But what I'm really upset at is that our elected officials wantonly accepting these false, unproven, slanderous statements as "truth", just so they can back up a decision that was made long before we even had this hearing.

[dirtywalkers]

this may sound dumb but cant we all chip in get a fleet of lawyers and sue the state? shit if you cant buy a bear tag spend the $40 on a lawyer if 1000 people chipped in that would be enough to get some lawyers i would think

[ringo8585]

Dirtywalkers I agree ill give 80 call chc and see if they can't start a fund we are getting rail roaded and its pissing me off. What happen to conflicts of interest author and co author on the aprocreations board this is horse $#!@!!!!!!!