Why "running" bred dogs?

[astringer]

Taken from Dad's Dogboy's post.........."Now if you just go Hound Hunting to get out of the House and Enjoy the Outdoors any Hound/Dog will work…just the other Day I encouraged another Gentleman from MS to look at using his Kemmer Curs to pursue Bobcat….this was do to the places he had to Hunt and his intent…..he was not going to be as serious as Mr. Harold, Jimmy and Jim or us."........

And I appreciate the words of encourgement from John. I've got some equipment on the way that he suggested and I'm ready to get these Curs in the woods after some cats. With all the cutovers we have down here now, our cat population has really grown over the years. The only problem is that the tracts of land are small. There's not room anymore for fast running dogs. John suggested training sessions with trapped cats then get the curs in the woods on the creekbanks and cutovers and give it a try. Time will tell.......Thanks John

Alan

[slowandeasy]

Taken from Dad's Dogboy's post.........."Now if you just go Hound Hunting to get out of the House and Enjoy the Outdoors any Hound/Dog will work…just the other Day I encouraged another Gentleman from MS to look at using his Kemmer Curs to pursue Bobcat….this was do to the places he had to Hunt and his intent…..he was not going to be as serious as Mr. Harold, Jimmy and Jim or us."........

And I appreciate the words of encourgement from John. I've got some equipment on the way that he suggested and I'm ready to get these Curs in the woods after some cats. With all the cutovers we have down here now, our cat population has really grown over the years. The only problem is that the tracts of land are small. There's not room anymore for fast running dogs. John suggested training sessions with trapped cats then get the curs in the woods on the creekbanks and cutovers and give it a try. Time will tell.......Thanks John

Alan

good luck to you, and keep us posted as to how ya make out! take care!

[dwalton]

Been gone for a few days, I am glad because I would of been in the middle of this. Each to there own everybody has the way it is and you all are right. Different areas and different cat populations causes a different type of cat dog to be hunted. Even in this area there is a lot of hunters stuck on a type of dog. Hunt what you like. There is a big difference in what people expect out of a dog. I know what I want, a dog that moves a cold track fast and trees a lot of cats, several in a day and can be hunted every day 10 to 16 hours a day resting only when the weather turns bad. What I don't like is people that judge others or know whats best in the way of a dog especially when they have not hunted with the dogs they are talking about. There is always a better dog out there if you look for it and more important a better hunter. How can anybody question someone that has years of breeding and success in there area. Give them credit where credit is due and listen you might be able to learn something if you don't already know it all. Here's what I know the people in the North West that catch a lot of cats hunt part running dogs. I talking about a hand full of guys most are not on here. Al Skinner was a grandson or great grandson to my PEE WEE dog which was a registered TW that if you traced her back 1\4 running dog but more important she run and handled a track like a running dog. If you talk to the people that had pups and grand pups a lot of them did not tree. On the other hand I have a 5\8 running dog now that locates and trees great and most of her pups do. The grand daughter out of Skinner That I have is one of the top dogs that I have every owned and will hunt until she drops. I have trained my hole pack with her. She could catch very few cats until I got the 5\8 running dog and I would kill her trying to run her with my young dogs today. Guys if you look you can find anything you want to make your point but don't judge that is left up to someone above us. Dewey

[al baldwin]

Dewey skinner was a great grandson of PeeWee. From what you & others told me Pepper is a grandaughter of skinner, but she hunts & looks just like her grand mother cody. Skinner sure never caught every cat he ran, but no one can say that he didnot give 100% every time he was hunted. There was no quite in him, Sam Faulk once told me, after hunting with him, you could cut off three legs & he would still try to catch his track. Bob Marosock hunted with him once, when he was about five. Talked with bob on phone yesterday, surprised to learn he remember skinner & told me that was a nice hound. As he did the day he hunted with skinner. After the hunt Bob quized me about the lineage behind skinner & still recalled yesterday that I had told him skinner had finley river in him. It was never my intention to tell anyone in Mississippi what breed of hound to hunt on cat in that state. I posted on the Line bred section, what was just my thoughts and certainly did not mean to offend anyone. The only reason I posted on WHY was to voice that not all tree bred hounds have no bottom & cannot stand three days a week tough hunting. Tried to be as polite as possible. As for respecting those who have bred a line for years I certainly do & stated in line bred post.( BREED AS YOU LIKE) Yes skinner had some running blood behind him, so much tree blood up close I considerd him tree bred. Skinner also had House, Faulk, Banjo, Crowding Billie Renick, a female named rose that Willis Sutton bought from some one in California plus a ton of other blood in him. Guess we all get attached to our hounds that please us, but when I hunted with anothers hound I liked always gave them thier due. C John as for me being looked up to by hunters in my circle, that is news to me.I was just a person who loved to hunt with hounds, not near as talented as some hunters, so able to work with hounds that were not naturals and give them time to develope. I believe this running dog , tree dog debate is a little silly. Believe no hound or hounds are perfect & there will always be cats that beat the best in the world on some days. Thanks Al Baldwin

[Alabama Cathunter]

We need a like and dislike button on bgh like face book!

[johnadamhunter]

I wish to thank each of you for taking the time to post a reply to my question. You have all shared a great deal of info with me (and each other) and I truly appreciate it. Also, thanks for all the pm's.

The passion many of you displayed is simply indicative of the passion you have for your hounds and this wonderful sport we all enjoy. This is what makes you collar those dogs, load them up and put in the woods when it's too cold, too hot, or raining or snowing!

If we all had the same color truck and the same color dogs, not only would this be a boring site...... it would be offline in less than a week.

I do think there is one area in which we all must agree.......We MUST All agree to do everything we possibly can to protect everyone's right to cast their dogs in the fields and woods and water whether we hunt with hounds or pointers or retrievers, we DO have hunting in common.

Thanks again, John

[slowandeasy]

john, good luck again. looking forward to hearing how you make out.

take care, Willy

[Rod Vinson]

Some like to run cats and some just want to follow them.....it is like kissing your sister..aint much fun in it...Good luck following!

[Dan Edwards]

Being new to this forum, I have spent a great deal of time reading the twenty some odd pages of posts about bobcat hunting, Very interesting and enlightening reading when one is capable of 'weeding' through the bs and the facts about this sport. Having done so, I have become aware that there is far less diversity in the breeds of dogs used in the deep south when compared to other areas. Hunters in most areas use a wide variety of breeds while most hunters in the south use "running" bred dogs. I know the obvious reasons for this and personally agree, however, I also know human nature. There surely are those who choose other breeds because of personal preferences......or if for no other reason those who choose to "walk to a different beat".

Please share your knowlege of these hunters and their dogs.

Thanks

John

We use running dogs cuz they are the best option for what we are chasing and catching. No I am not a bobcat hunter, only a lowly coyote hunter but for what we do they are really the best choice. They are faster than anything else and not after an hour and half either, they are faster in the first 30 seconds than any other type of hound you will find and the distance will only grow between them and it will grow rather quickly. I grew up around tree dogs my entire life and besides a few curs I have owned I have never seen any treehound that would stay with our running dogs for 5 minutes let alone and hour. I think that its a bit ridiculous to even try to imagine it actually cuz it aint happening.

If I lived in MS and I wanted to go out on my own to hunt bobcat though I would never attempt these types of dogs. Most wont be able to understand them nor appreciate what they can really do once they are tough.

What I meant to say up above is that if I lived there and was new to the business I would not attempt these type of dogs alone. These kinda dogs once they are tough will blow your mind at what they are capable of. I personally cant hardly stand em though til they get tough cuz they do some awful stupid chit at times.

[floridacathunter]

If you enjoy the ones you got, where you hunt, stop reading, and go hunting. If you are unhappy with your dogs[ whatever they are] start "looking" for some that suit YOU better. Be careful "listening". B.S. is a lot cheaper than a catdog. Advice is usually just someone elses opinion. Make up your own mind and have fun. I'll hush now. John