BILL INTRODUCED TO BAN PURSUIT OF BEAR AND BOBCAT IN CA

[meagain]

Mark,
You made a good point hell even the HSUS blows things up and burns things down.

[Dillon]

When or if you guys start an attorney fund,I would be happy to make a donation.I don't live in ca but if that happened in Nevada I would lose my happiness also.

[ringo8585]

Yes Dillon it's a travesty I hope we can get it over turned on one of the many laws it goes against and just on sound scientific facts I'm also ready to put my money up!!

[outlaw13]

Has anyone heard about this law being signed by the governor and it included the pursuit of all mammals and that it is going to be repealed because it wasn't voted through all of the commities the same way that it was signed.

[ringo8585]

Clint ill call you Tom buddy

[Dale T]

Has anyone heard about this law being signed by the governor and it included the pursuit of all mammals and that it is going to be repealed because it wasn't voted through all of the commities the same way that it was signed.

From what we were told when it was ammended in the Assembly all it had to do was to go back to the Senate floor before all the Senators to be voted on. Bottom line we were screwwed at every step though every committee they bent and broke a lot of there so called rules in every committee!

[KLS]

VOTE NO ON PROP 30
If it's Brown flush it down!

I would like to get bumper stickers made with the above statement and all profit
going to a legal fund to hire a lawyer and file lawsuits to stop BS1221,that what our enemy
does, they don't get their way they SUE, We play nice and get stomped!
PEOPLE the hsus is to blame, Jennifer Fearing is to BLAME when we can't hunt next year and were pissed off it's JENNIFER FEARING director CA hsus fault she needs to be stopped!!
This is a WAR they started, we need to fight back the hsus needs to pay for stealing our rights.
Blaming each other and pointing fingers at fellow houndsmen is what they want they aren't going to stop unless we stop them, by any means necessary
take your rage out on the hsus and it's executives.
IF anyone from CHC or elsewhere can help with my bumper sticker idea pm me.

[RIFLEMAN]

Pete:

Then I saw that the CHC had updated their web page, finally. WTF! We are in the fight of our lives and CHC's new web page shows mountain lions in five of eight photos in its' opening page montage. Really?

Please tell us specifically what the problem is with showing pictures of mountain lions.

How does showing mountain lions in five of eight photos hurt our cause exactly?

Isn't the contributions of the hound hunting community in all five mountain lion studies being conducted in California worth noting and celebrating?

Given that the mountain lion is the animal that everybody loves to love, isn't our contributions to lion research worth noting and celebrating?

Given that SB 1221 and AB 1784 were moving through the legislative process concurrently, is it not logical to highlight the parallels between the use of hounds for bear and bobcat with the use of hounds for mountain lion? Furthermore, is it not logical to highlight the inconsistencies with supporting 1221 (that bans hounds for bear and bobcat) and supporting 1784 (that allows hounds for mountain lion) at the same time? FYI, 1784 went through the process and was signed into law without opposition.

When 12,000 houndsmen read my articles in Full Cry, nationwide, and call me asking what they can do and CHC pulls a bonehead move like their new web site who is the bitch Dale?

I would love to know why this was a bonehead move and how featuring the contributions of CHC and California's hound hunting community to the very popular study of mountain lions somehow inhibits a person's motivation to help defend the use of hounds for bear and bobcat. Do tell.

[RIFLEMAN]

meagain,

I was wondering the same thing I even called to see if they knew that it had passed.

Yes, we had the fun job of breaking the news once it came out.

On a different note: arizona had a senate bill SB1070 that was brought to the supreme court due to possibly being " Against the constitution and in harmony with civil rights". or something like that.

Haven't heard of this case, but I certainly hope it wins. It would set a wonderful precedent for 1221.

now my simple brain tells me that if I am unable to legally pursue Bears and Bobcats but another person can by being employed by the government. then that is a direct invasion of my constitutional rights.

There are a lot of things that government employees can do legally when they are within the capacity of their authority that you and I cannot do as citizens. This is now one of them.

When we were at the Water, Parks and Wildlife hearing (the one with 4 votes) one of the assembly members was telling that shark finning senator that he was violating our constitutional rights by writing laws to dispatch our personal property (dogs).

I am not an attorney, but yes, having one of our hounds killed by DFG would create standing for a Due Process case. However, I do not think it would invalidate the law but rather, provide for damages to the plaintiff and possibly motivate an amendment to the law that would tighten up the dispatch policy the following year.

Also if i am not mistaken the bill was changed to incorporate a micro chipping and use permit to use dogs to pursue any mammal. i have not read the bill as it was signed by Brown.I believe a mandatory microchipping program is the best bet to tie this thing up in supreme court for a long time! that VIOLATES MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS! they are telling me to inject my personal property with a system in which they can monitor my property at all times.

The microchip cannot track your hounds, but rather, identifies the owner when scanned with an RFID reader.

Is CHC looking into any options or talking to attorneys?

Yes, CHC and its allies are continuing to explore options as we continue the fight against the ban on the use of hounds for bear and bobcat.

[meagain]

Rifleman,
Give me a call I have found some possible help with the legal issue
Dan has my number if you don't.

[RIFLEMAN]

Fitz,

I heard word the HSUS is being shut down the first of the year. Does anyone know if that's true?

I would bet every possession I have in the world that this is not true. I wish I was wrong.

[RIFLEMAN]

Outlaw13,

Does the CHC have any kind of response.

Our response is that we will continue to fight the consequences of 1221 as much as possible and exhaust every option available.

I also heard a rumor that the big wigs from fish and game went in behing closed doors to talk to the jackass govenor yesterday about 1221. Anyone know if that is true or rumor at all.

While I will not comment on the specifics, I will say that there was an outpouring of support for us from individuals who happen to be DFG employees, whether they are wardens, biologists, or administration. We have more friends than you know.

Has anyone heard about this law being signed by the governor and it included the pursuit of all mammals and that it is going to be repealed because it wasn't voted through all of the commities the same way that it was signed.

The bill bans the use of hounds for the pursuit of bear and bobcat only. The use of hounds for the pursuit of other mammals remains unchanged. 1221 does grant the Department and the Commission the authority to establish other regulations governing the use of hounds, but whether or not these regulations go into effect remains to be seen. Of course, CHC and its allies will oppose any regulations mandating microchipping, reporting of lost hounds, and other intrusive and unnecessary practices.

[RIFLEMAN]

Fallriverwalker,

come on dale you already kn0w the ones that will be helping the fish cops they already are I wont mention names just look and see was doing lion studys and who had thrir hounds doing the deed for them it eill be no diffrent when it comes to bears

Hopefully, you can recognize and appreciate the difference between houndsmen participating in lion research and bear depredation. If not, let me know and I will explain.

[RIFLEMAN]

Yamaha,

Has anybody heard chc or coha's official response or plans on this passing of sb 1221? Are we going to bring out the big dog lawers now? What about the "SPORTSMANS' POLITICAL VICTORY FUND''? "WARCHEST"? CHC has not posted or updated anything on their site? What now,?

As mentioned before, we are going to continue to fight this legislation. We will not be publicly indicating our strategies however.

[RIFLEMAN]

Tim Lockwood,

Doesn't CHC already have $330,000 in their account that they can hire some attorneys with? I was told they didn't want to use the money in case we beat the bill and had to fight this on the ballot in the near future. I don't know if this is true or not but I sure wish we didn't lose this war with bullets still in our gun.

I will not state how much money is in any of CHC's accounts on the WORLD WIDE WEB, but I will say it is more than $330,000. Let's remember that everyone on the entire planet can read what we post on this site, shall we.

What about CEQA? Can we not get this reversed since it was NOT based on scientific research?

This is highly unlikely. CEQA was written by the Legislature, and quite naturally, they exempted themselves from having to comply with CEQA. As there are those such as Pete Meyer that stubbornly cling to this strategy, I am including the specific text of CEQA that defines what is covers...

a) “Project” means the whole of an action, which has a potential for resulting in either a direct physical change in the environment, or a reasonably foreseeable indirect physical change in the environment

And now, Section 15378(b)(1) that provides the exemption...

(b) Project does not include:

(1) Proposals for legislation to be enacted by the State Legislature;