Good hunting buddies & their Bad dogs!

[Warner5]

I very seldom hunt with others. But when I do I expect the other guy to take it as serious as I do and only bring quality dogs, training is for trainer and hound at my house. No need to burden someone else and their dogs with a deer burner.

With that said, sorry J.C. , next time I'll leave that bitch at home.

The best thing about it was, not an hour before I was mentioning treeing everything I ran was getting a little old . Talk about setting your trap and then stepping in it. One would think by now, I would have learned to keep my mouth shut. John.

[Unreal_tk]

Lol, John. Seems like a common problem for everyone!

[coastrangecathunting]

no problem , im going up baker cr. in the morning come up after u get the kids on the bus. i will need some one to go to the tree for me . lol. with all the kidding aside i really do need u to go to the tree 4 me tommorow. bring all your dogs i would rather run a deer with u than run 2 cats without u. i love u man . can i have your bud light. i hope that dog i gave u yesterday barked all night .

jc

[slowandeasy]

QUOTE:I very seldom hunt with others. But when I do I expect the other guy to take it as serious as I do and only bring quality dogs, training is for trainer and hound at my house. No need to burden someone else and their dogs with a deer burner.


John,

I at one time felt alittle like your above quote. But through the years I have also learned that sometimes these little excursions are an awful good way to enforce the fact, that Old Faithful isn't allowed to get caught with his hand in the cookie jar. And that every party in town isn't necessarily the party that he or she should be at. That is why sometimes I even do this amongst my own dogs. I will absolutely let a young dog run amuck, and run the hair off of anything that leaves tracks so I can enforce my will on the others. Some may not agree with this. But they are probably also in the same camp that doesn't dare let their dogs run with any other strange dogs. To this I say, do you really have broke dogs? And if they have to tap dance, wiggle, and make excuses. I guess anyone with a real common sense knows the answer without ever really getting the question answered. But I am also realistic with my belief, that they are never 100% broke untill you shovel the last shovelful of dirt on their grave. At which time not only are they 100% broke, but they are also perfect. I am sure the above statement will bring out of the woodwork, those that will break a good rule. That sometimes it is better to say nothing at all, and have people wonder how smart you are. Then to open one's mouth and let the whole world know just how high on the totem pole you really are.

What I really have a problem with is people. Those that know not and know that they know not and are looking for help, I say help them. Those that know not and don't know that they know not there is still hope for, as long as they are aware of what they are seeing with their own eyes. But the truly dangerous ones, that I can't stand being around. Are the ones that know nothing, no that they know nothing. But want make it up as they go, and completely ruin another generation of of young hunters. These are the ones that I absolutely won't tolerate being around.

Take care, Willie

[Warner5]

Lets just say a good hunting buddy only brings dogs that have been well handled. If the catch is our goal.

Dogs will do what they do, if I didnt understand this I doubt I would have told the entire BGH family one of my dogs just burned a deer. When I was a young hunter I got to hunt with an old cat hunter named Lloyd Bassie, I just knew we were going to go and pop cats up left and right but that didnt happen we ran coyotes. Lloyd taught me that even the best have their problems or bad days, it was far better for me seeing him struggle.

Young hunters can read what I wrote above, I hope they take something from it. Lloyd and I were at oppisate ends of the hunting time line. I was at the beginning and he was at the end, but we both had the same dog problems. Dogs dont change, cats dont change. What does change is how we deal with our dog's and how we see or feel about the cats we chase. Take care. John.

[bowtech36]

Willie you sound like Socrates in Plato's apology. Socrates finds out that he is the wisest of all the men from the Delphic oracle however it is not because Socrates new more than all the men in the land but instead because he knew what he did not know and didn't think he knew what he did not lol

[Warner5]

Willie,

I think I agree with all thats been wrote above. Running a deer is not a problem, letting a dog continue to run them is where the problem is. The same instinct that told that young female to grab that deer track and go is the same instinct she will use later in life to keep pressure on a cat. Funny things happen to dogs in new company, she knew not to take a deer with my 4 on track but with our 8 she lost here head. I have alway's called this pack aggression. Dogs seem to deal with pack aggression differently, That same day the oldest dog lagged behind, kept her head down and out of trouble. She could feel the pack aggression with all this new company and didnt want any part of it.

Willie, we have a couple glorified deer burners up on the ranch. Shortly after we got back from our hunt I went up turned everyone loose let them mingle for awile and let them all slip off, shortly 3 of my 4 were back heads and tails low, the fourth got corrected all the way back. She was fixin to fit right in with those other 2 deer dogs, that correction should work as a reminder. Until the next time that is. I would think this set up works much like your gamey pup set up. Have a good day. John.

[slowandeasy]

John,

I just got a chance to get back in here and read the post. At first I thought you may have been a little upset, but I think you know me better than to take anything I say as an insult. Anyway, sometimes things don't come out on paper exactly the way you say it in person. But I think all got the general idea of what I meant hopefully.

Take care, Willie

[slowandeasy]

Willie you sound like Socrates in Plato's apology. Socrates finds out that he is the wisest of all the men from the Delphic oracle however it is not because Socrates new more than all the men in the land but instead because he knew what he did not know and didn't think he knew what he did not lol

Mike,

I don't even know who those guys are. But if I sound like any of them I sure hope they had good hounds.

[Warner5]

The only thing that upsets me when it comes to you Willie is.

You dont live close enough to sit down and have a proper bullshit session

It is difficult coming across the way a person wants to on this computer. For me this computer thing is a higher form of communication for sure. Hand jestures, a look, mixed with some clicks, grunts and groans is how most of us still communicate here in coos county.

I have been thinking about Lloyd Bassie alot lately and your comments helped me get there. Take care and thank you for your help. John.

[CRA]

To this I say, do you really have broke dogs? And if they have to tap dance, wiggle, and make excuses. I guess anyone with a real common sense knows the answer without ever really getting the question answered. But I am also realistic with my belief, that they are never 100% broke untill you shovel the last shovelful of dirt on their grave. At which time not only are they 100% broke, but they are also perfect.Take care, Willie

I agree 100% with Mr. Willie! If you really want to know if you have a broke dog or dogs mix them with a deer or coyote running renegade. You will find out real quick if they will stand up to the temptations or stand in the road and tell on the trash burner, or join in.

The key is the hunter being hound wise enough and honest enough to themselves to realize that old faithful is trashing. A Lot of hunters will road past a herd of deer, or dump them out on a red hot Coyote track and think that old faithful is broke, because they didn't burn the track out of hearing. I say BS! Hounds learn real quick what a set up is. They also learn real quick that they are wired-up or aren't. Some wont trash if you are close to them, if they know better, but when they know you are not around it could be a different story.

The worst and most tempting times of the year for semi broke hounds to trash is during the Deer rut ( which has just started here) and when Coyotes are breeding in late January and February. Every year it seems old faithful needs a reminder that you still don't fully trust them. If you stand there saying my hound wont trash even around bad company you are fooling yourself. In my opinion the hound hunters that fool themselves tend to have the trashiest packs.

Ive seen guys say my dogs never ran that trash track, because they never opened on it. "But" they went with them. If they leave the road and ain't back with their flag dropped in just a few seconds they are trashing, just silently. A fairly broke dog wont even need to leave the road, their body language with tell you whats going on. A smart hound hunter should always have their suspensions up, on those "jumped" mystery tracks that don't end with a tree, when they should have.

Enjoy your hunting season. Hope no one takes my comments wrong, just my thoughts. By the way I have never owned or hunted with a 100% broke hound. I have owned a few that loved to tell on others and then later feed me crow for lunch!

[slowandeasy]

CRA,

Sure is good to see you back. And from the looks of your profile your in the Ozarks. Sure bet it feels good to get out of that _ _ _ _ hole.

Take care, Willie

[pegleg]

I've made many mistakes with hounds in my time I suppose I still do . I bought a glorified hound pup once that was sold far above its training or experience level and the first time I took her out she not only ran deer like a pro but managed to catch a doe in a dirt bank she was in the process of trying to pull it down when I caught up I was pissed and got after her about it rather harshly I didn't know the facts though and that made a huge. Difference in the situation. First she hadn't ever been hunted she ' d been sicked on a few trainers but that was the first time she had ever been out in a real hunting scenario second she ran that deer for several miles at a pace that over taxed the deer and my horse third her breeding was actually much better then I'd been told . Finally I just got on a young dog super hard for running the first wild game she came across. It should have ruined her but she ended up being the best cat dog I've seen .