Dogs that open on dogs

BlazeNBrat · Post by **BlazeNBrat** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:17 pm

What are your thoughts about young dogs that do this? Bad deal? Good? Would you let it go or correct it?

Unreal_tk · Post by **Unreal_tk** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:31 pm

A little better explanation might help. I assume your talking about a young dog that is behind and running to the dogs and opening?

I am curious what will be said here.

BlazeNBrat · Post by **BlazeNBrat** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:41 pm

No. Got a young dog that will take off barking on another dogs track, no cat scent at all, just hound dog. Come hunt time I don't think I want that going on.

Dan Edwards · Post by **Dan Edwards** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:23 pm

Its a very bad habit but some young dogs will just do it for a bit and then stop that silly shit. I dont like it at all though.

Redwood Coonhounds · Post by **Redwood Coonhounds** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 7:46 pm

Babbling is one of the first things I will cull a dog for besides fighting and slick treeing. I absolutely hate it. I would rather hear no barking than a bunch of barking about nothing. I haven't had a big issue with my young dogs doing this. The few I have had that have done it, I corrected them for it, and put them up and stopped hunting them until they were ready to shut up and keep up. Those that don't outgrow it fairly quickly get culled. VERY bad habit and a terrible thing when you hunt with other people. Worse is whn they babble after dogs, or HERD or play with a dog trying to run track, not much tolerence for a young dog that does that.

tedsmith · Post by **tedsmith** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:19 pm

BlazeNbrat your tolerance for that behavior is up to you. Mine is near o. A very knowledgeable cat hunter said.(Daddy don't suffer fools well, men or dogs) There are a lot folks that would of called that cold trailing. Seen many 300 dollar coon dogs with that trait. When you have had enough you will know.

Trueblue · Post by **Trueblue** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:56 pm

If the dog is actually opening and trailing on dog scent rather than babbling,that is pretty unusual,at least in my experience.I guess if I thought he was really doing that I would shock him.There is no way you can tolerate that.You have to either stop him from doing it or cull him.I knew a guy years ago that had a young dog that would open on it's own track when it was back tracking itself to the truck.It got shocked for it several times and then quit and went on to be a fine hound dog.

Unreal_tk · Post by **Unreal_tk** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:47 pm

Interesting. I am surprised no one has stirred the pot yet. So I will. Why does it matter if it doesn't affects the dogs ability to catch and your older dogs know better than to honor it?

BlazeNBrat · Post by **BlazeNBrat** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:20 pm

Unreal_tk wrote:Interesting. I am surprised no one has stirred the pot yet. So I will. Why does it matter if it doesn't affects the dogs ability to catch and your older dogs know better than to honor it?

Well, I know i hate it, maybe somebody else can better explain it but I think it causes delay of game if dogs do honor it, and can cost the race. And, it can screw up other young dogs and cause confusion if they do honor it. Among a big list of other things its what you can call barking OFF track because dogs shouldn't say anything unless they smell cat.
I will have this corrected before she gets to go with my dogs or she wont go.

Trueblue · Post by **Trueblue** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:52 pm

Unreal_tk wrote:Interesting. I am surprised no one has stirred the pot yet. So I will. Why does it matter if it doesn't affects the dogs ability to catch and your older dogs know better than to honor it?

Don't you like your dogs to honor each other ? Don't you like team work ? I don't mind a dog not honoring another if he is working his own track but if he isn't then he better get his ass over to the dog that has the track.I don't want my dogs to learn to not trust or honor each other.

mondomuttruner · Post by **mondomuttruner** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:29 pm

Can't stand it, hate it, wouldn't tolerate it, usually it's a dog that will bark on it's backtrack all the way to where it was born.

LarryBeggs · Post by **LarryBeggs** » Fri Feb 01, 2013 12:41 am

I think a lot of puppys and dogs that have spent to much time on the chain will do this . If the dog has been hunted hard on the right game and is still doing it then it is bad. I have seen 6year old dogs acting like they were cold trailing a lion just to walk my dogs out there to turn them in and find the track 100 yards from where they were trailing. This of course isnt tollerable. Or a dog that barks constantly during a loose. Experienced dogs that are hunted together know when to honor other dogs or not. But it can still mess up a race. But I wouldnt be to quick to cull the dog unless it has been on a fair amount of game. "Young dog" isnt enough description to decide weather there is a problem or not.

sheimer · Post by **sheimer** » Fri Feb 01, 2013 12:46 am

Well, I don't necessarily want to go against the grain, but we may be jumping to conclusions here....A dog barking off track is bad, I think we all agree on this. A dog barking when he has a track is good, again, we can all agree here. Does this dog know what he is supposed to be chasing? If he's been dumped into a started race for training, he knows nothing other than to bark on a dogs track. Same if he is younger and slower than the dogs he's running with. I've had a pup in the past that was really young when he started trailing and was consistantly in the back of the race. He would be very open the entire race. Was he opening on dog or cat scent? A little patients and some tracks for him to take alone, he figured out to open only on cat.

I'll agree that a babble mouth dog will drive you insane, it does me. I'm not sure culling at this point is a logical solution though.

Just my .02

Scott

Nolte · Post by **Nolte** » Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:14 pm

Well I guess I have a slightly differnt take. I'd put up with it for now but would slowly expect it to become less and less. I would only hunt that young dog with older experienced dogs who are going to have the track. It should make it to a couple good "game" situations and then you'll see if it will work out of it. Then I'd try to get in on the right game solo. If it's not locking on then, well I'd think about moving on. Then again, if the dog is always ending up the right spot doing what it should, well then see if it's something you can put up with. It all depends on how deep a guy is with dogs. I've gotten rid of some with mildly bad habits when my box was pretty full and I've kept some melon heads around when I was down on dogs until I got some better.

RezDogRendezvous · Post by **RezDogRendezvous** » Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:42 pm

mondomuttruner wrote:Can't stand it, hate it, wouldn't tolerate it, usually it's a dog that will bark on it's backtrack all the way to where it was born.

Lol. My whole pack just popped in my head when I read that!
If its a young dog I'd give it a bit and see if it grows out of it. Seems like the pups that really want to hunt seem to get anxious and a little too excited at first. I can see where it could be a huge problem if your lead dog loses the track and honors to the babbling pup. Turn him lose sooner and make him hunt with the other dogs and not just chase tail. ?

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