Oregon trap and fur ban

[bluedogs]

thank you for pointing that out actually the first bill i read in the title was no selling of raw fur or body parts of animals but then i read the whole bill and it does state in the bill no selling raw furs from trapped animals. so from the title it looks like no one could sell fur but further into it it looks like just no trapped animals can be sold.
but lets say you have a bunch of coon and cats put up that were caught with dogs how do you prove you didnt trap any of them, this is were it gets alot grey

[mike martell]

Bluedogs
You pose a reasonable argument! Point well taken...
Here is the problem with Oregon and any other State. Once you have alternative solutions to problems, you no longer have a need for Sport hunters or you don't see the urgent need in the same light.... This is a very slippery slope!
Oregon has eluded from Sport hunters in more ways than the voters booth. I'm very defensive when it comes to sport hunters vs. Contract hunters/ Government. I totally understand what you stated about the main contractor for Odfw being a huge advocate for our rights. Here is the bottom line, until these situations change in Oregon, nothing will change. Right at 5 out of every 10 bear in Oregon die by contractors/Usda.

Odfw has employees like the bear manager Tayler in Corvallis Oregon who advocates for Usda/contractors who is like a rabid dog when it comes to her hate for hounds and hound hunters and several members of the board of Commissioners who share her feelings. She has made the statement to me and I quote "If I had my way, Usda would replace all of you". Never mind this is a conflict of interest since she is in a relationship with our Linn County Oregon Usda Aphis Wildlife Services agent.

Odfw head Administrator Anglin has made the statement "Sport hunters can't meet management objectives". This is very true. No we can't compete with snares and bait when only allowed to boot hunt. The original argument in 1994 was the unethical treatment to animals with the use of hounds. My continued argument is and always will be....Government/ contractors hounds replaced sport hunter hounds for cougar and snares and baits replaced our unethical hounds as a management tool. Don't get me started with ethics when it comes to select harvest over hounds vs. steel. There are simply no ethics with what replace all of us. This is simply killing!

You will never convince me by killing 100% of your female bear and cubs and your female cougar and any and all kittens is sustainable over the long haul. You have one clear management tool for both species and that is Sport hunters and hounds. This is exactly what Odfw has evolved towards by rejecting the aid of sport hunters in 2007 and going by way of Government and contractors. Odfw claims they have been forced by the will of the voter.

Our dollars support wildlife management all across Oregon, not the envirnmentalist.The intent or sport hunter dollars should not be intended for hiring contractors or Government. Once we break over the barrier as we have done in Oregon with Our Fish and Game selling all of us down the river we will struggle to ever regain any of our rights back. Clearly having alternative players such as any wildlife services contractors strategically placed across Oregon is a huge detriment to our cause.Odfw has done just that. Here is more food for thought. Lets look beyond Governement and contractors.

Do you really think if the House and Senate does pass our hunting legislation and the Governor signs it in to law and during the same 2014 mid term cycle we end up with a anti trapping bill on the same ballot, Oregonian hound hunters, trappers and Sportsmen will bother to register to vote for either bill? Probably not! I'm guessing here only by reflecting back on 1994. This possibly was before many on here and your hound hunting years? Here is what I discovered. 50% of all active hound hunters never registered to vote and we lost by 1.8% margin of popular vote!

I'm also guessing why Obama was reelected was along the lines for the same reason? Here is what I think is going on with Odfw. They are no different than all of us. They must go with what they think will be the outcome and what they will need to implement for alternative solutions to their growing problems. Right or wrong for management over the long haul, they are plagued with many problems. Why should the folks who keep Odfw employees employed by our support and dollars put up with how they treat all of us?

We need to close the smorgasboard of alternatives for Odfw to ever have a chance of regaining our rights.When you broaden your alternative solutions. You limit sport hunter prospects.

I simply advocate for Sport hunters as a management tool for the State of Oregon and reject any form of alternative that does not include you or any one else who buys a license and tag as a first priority.

Thanks for your perspective.

Mike

[bluedogs]

it is pretty sicking when people cant open there eyes and see that having someone other then sportsmen out there taking wildlife that is cost money instead of making money they would rather spend money that we dont really have hint why every other state is in debt.
I would hope that oregon sportsmen hounds hunter trappers and all the above would be involved and vote but the sad part is your right more then likley wount happen or one group will not vote because well they dont really care and it doesnt effect them, little do they know is that in the long run it does effect them becaue sometime down the road the anti's are gonna come after them to.

[LarryBeggs]

bluedogs,this bill is just in its first phase. The wording will get changed many times before it passes or not. I was just in getting my cats tagged and talking with the biologist about it.I didnt catch his name but he seemed like a fairly conservative guy. He brought up the fact that the wording wont stay the same as the law goes thrue its process. Take out one or two words or add one or two words and it will effect not just the trapping. Like Mike said it effects us all. Even if it stays worded the way it is.

[mike martell]

Just spent this evening in a meeting with our District 17 Representative Sprenger. We had a serious open discussion about all forms of pending legislation. One thing that is flooding Salem is the proposed H.B. 3200. Looks like this one possibly will also die out. This is a real bad deal just like all other legislation proposed by democrats in Salem. This one pertained to gun possession and open law enforcement inspections in your home if you own firearms.

Expanded Government is the new trend. The States like Oregon are run/controlled by the democrats. Rep. Sprenger reported some of the most rediculous legislation she has ever seen before. Interesting to follow the developments in the near future.

H.B. 2624 is another one to follow. Evidently Rep. Sprenger engaged our Governor Kitzhaber who was quick to condemn the use of sport hunting with hounds for Cougar. Rep. Sprenger made the comment if his opposition was just geared towards Oregonian citizens use of hounds or did that also include Government hounds as currently being used and funded by dollars and Government intervention that could be better spent given the State of the economy given we are managing and killing cougars.

Kitzhabers said, Government hounds? Apparently the dialog changed real fast. Rep. Sprenger stated the sheer ignorance of the politicians in Salem and how do you penetrate those who just don't get it? This is on many levels including our wood products,Logging industry.

This bill has a good chance to pass both House and Senate since Jackie Dingfelder will not be the Senate liberal chair person who hates all forms of hunting, once this goes to committee will be sent to the same person who co-sponsored the legislation. Once this gets assigned, I will do an update to begin the support via flooding the liberals with emails. Also present in tonights meeting was Rebecca Miles. We had a great conversation on our strategy or approach. Rebecca is legislative aid for Sprenger. She said hit Salem with the economics of hiring Government to hunt at a time when Oregon is broke and for me to quit the "land fill plan approach". I use slang to shove up the politicians butts and to drive home the point! There also comes a time to back off and allow the process to flow.

I have finally educated some of our politicians of what has been covered up by Odfw as to who and what replaced us and as we go forward the questions to ask, Do we use sport hunters funded by sport hunter dollars or do we expand and grow more government?

Bottom line folks, if you own a gun, fish, hunt, trap or breath air. A liberal will have a problem with you! Please register to vote. Simply stated, all the work done by so many will be of little use if you don't get involved in the game.

Rep Sprenger also stated more folks feel disconnected from politics and feel their vote no longer counts, she said this is no time to back away but to fight harder to regain our previous life styles once and for all.

Thanks for reading.....Mike

[kiwi]

There comes a time where everybody has to stand up and fight for what they love
Join an organisation to help fund these fights , Become politically aware of what is going on
Write to your politicians and make them aware of how you think, politely and logically
Squeaky wheels gets the oil
If you don't, the only outdoor activities , hound hunting etc you will get to do is to come over here to Oz and hunt with us
We were under threat here and have recovered by hard work from the hunting orgs , their political awareness and building good relations with the hunting controlling bodies and the govt itself
When a pollie does good , write and tell them so , if they are against what we stand for , politely point out the facts
Really it is not that hard

[mike martell]

Kiwi.

When I look at your proposed regulations, I feel pretty good about ours!
10 Years per regulation cycle is way too long. How does Australia conclude you can properly manage a resourse with the highs and lows in wildlife cycles?

Our cultures are similar in ways and dfferent as night and day in other ways. The single common bond we all share is the need to support any and all hunting styles. We are all under attack for our way of life.

Your last statement is very correct. Here in America we have become accustom to others doing the political work for us. This is why we have been defeated in the past. The squeaky wheel does get the oil. Here is my opinion and mine alone when it comes to sport huntes vs. the anti groups. We lose because they stick together and they all vote where we don't!

A constant reminder and support for my analogy is clear by looking at who retained his position in the White House! At first I was and now I'm

[kiwi]

Mike , the bags limits can change by the year especially for duck season
However all the other regs are locked into place for 10 years, Therefore we have a duck season , deer season , hound hunting, gundogs etc all locked into place for the next 10 years
It is the same for all our regs over here , a 10 yr cycle
If any changes are to be made , it is at that time, i'll see if i can get hold of some documents to show how the process works, it is interesting , and send it over