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Something to think about!
I was not sure whether I would share this story but after relaying it to a friend last night he pushed me into sharing it. I hope it will give you something to think about before you pull the trigger on female cougar and the consequences that may affect others.
The story starts back in Febuary during a a cougar hunt I was guiding. Usually all my lion hunts are done on my own, but this one was different with not one but two helpers along for the hunt. Both guys are up and coming houndsmen and where here wanting to learn a little about hunting the big cats. Little did they know that this day would give them a memory that would last a lifetime.
We had loaded up some sleds on my truck and with the dogs loaded in Mike’s dog box inside of his canopy we headed off to the most easterly section of my guide block. I don’t usually go to this area as it receives lots of pressure from the Williams lake cat hunters and it’s an 1 1/2hr drive to get there.
We unloaded the dogs when we got there and let them empty out before loading them back up. One of mikes dogs had ventured down the road a couple hundred yards before being called back, this was to set the stage for what happened next. I unloaded a sled to check a spur road and sent Mike and Darcy to drive the road we were on to check for lion tracks. Mike had not gone 100 yards down the road before he stopped and called me over to check out a cougar sitting on the road. Sitting on the road!!!! I called both hunters over to take look at this strange situation. I knew something was wrong with this cat as it sat 40 yards from us on the road watching us intently. I moved around to the front of the truck to get a better look at the juvenile cat looking for a trap or sign of sickness, something that would of explained this strange behavior! As I cleared the truck, the cat came for me running down the road locked on with bad intentions. Caught off guard and with no weapons handy I backed up a couple paces and considered my options, none where looking good right now. Both Mike and Darcy where standing in the truck cab with doors half open getting a good look at the cat when this happened, both watching this unfold in disbelief. As the cat cleared the front of the truck and prepared for the final attack Darcy bailed me out temporarily with some quick thinking and tried to smoke the cat with the truck door. This stopped the immediate attack on me but changed the cat’s direction which ended up being the inside of Mike’s truck! Now with the cougar at Darcy’s feet trying to get in the truck Darcy and I took to defending ourselves with our boots. Stomping and kicking madly with enough affect that the cat took cover under the truck. I quickly took a look under the truck to see where the cat went and to my surprise the cat popped its head out right beside me, I kicked once again at it head putting it back under the truck. I quick went to back of the truck to release a dog, not so much to chase the cat but to distract the cat long enough that we could arm ourselves to kill the cat. As Vicki (whom should have been named bait) hit the ground the cat ran out between the two hunters and grabbed the dog. I attempted to open the dog box to give Vicki help as she was obviously in distress but instead jumped out to help Vicki out myself. I was happy to see the boys fighting for the dog’s life, with Mike using his 30-30 as a club and one of the hunters beating the cat in the face with his fists. I jumped into the fray and when a couple quick kicks to the head didn’t make the cat let go of the dog I stepped on its head to keep it from moving, it was at this time when Darcy stepped forward with his homemade custom Bowie knife and stuck the cat in the ribs quickly killing it. I now know what a huge knife like that is good for and was glad to have someone with one, standing beside me.
With a few holy craps and what the hell just happened, everyone was a happy to have it over with. Vicki was by now having a chew on the cat but was still shaken up but in good shape with only one hole in her side.
Shortly after this was over the local rancher happened by and let us know another juvenile tom cougar had been shot a few days previous at a nearby ranch as the cat tried to get into a dog kennel. Both of the these cats where starved and in desperation mode caused by a missing mother. Whether the mother was killed by a hunter or died of natural causes these two juveniles where orphaned and in tough shape.
I am sharing this story to show people what the consequences of killing females whether with dogs or killing a cat in a chance situation when deer hunting. (70% of females have dependant young)This cat could have easily ran into a kid walking to the bus or a housewife out for a walk. Instead the cat ran into 5 capable men that came out on top with little more than memories and a small hole in a dog.
I hope people will think before they shoot the first cat they see, as there can be terrible consequences for some on suspecting person.

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+1, Thanks for sharing Doug.
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Bizarre. Good story, glad everything ended up okay.


I've heard of stickin hogs with a bowie knife but that's the first I've heard it done to a lion.. :mrgreen:
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Holy shit!!! Thank god you all came out ok.
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This needs to be published In a magazine. and wish more people from my neck of the woods would resect that killing females isn't the way to go!
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Crazy story. Killing only big toms leaves you with an abundance of subs. and a over population of lions. Causing their to be food issues and starvation. Big toms control the population.
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Damn.. Thank you for sharing this.. Enjoyed the read.
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There's one for your magazine Buddy! Holy cow man, what a story. Glad everyone was ok. How is your dog? By the way, what was the weight on that cat? Just curious, did it look like it was starving. Down here they can get rabies and start acting weird.
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That is a story for the grandkids for sure, I have for years hoped houndsmen would give more thought in taking females, mainly because the fish and game don't seem to know how or really care that much, I don't believe now days your going to see an over population of lions, these days big toms don't control much of anything we do plenty of that and if you can find a big tom consider yourself lucky at least where I live, in fact if you can find a lion to run you are lucky, it seems to many give little to no thought when pulling the trigger, I think if you know your area well enough you could know when to take females, like the subject said something to think about.
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WOW, WHAT AN EXCITING STORY! GLAD TO HEAR EVERYONE WAS OK :D
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never heard of anything like this before. Crazy story but glad you ended up on the top of the food chain.
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The highest number of cougar/human conflicts result from juvenile lions, mainly those that have been orphaned.
There are a number of reasons why, but human caused mortality may very well be the biggest contributing factor to orphaned kittens which in a case like this lead to a conflict.

Alberta Sustainable Resources opened a boot season a couple years ago as well as allow landowners to kill lions.
Land owners can legally kill a lion ,any number, any age, any sex ,any time of the year.
Total Bullshit in my view but thats the government and our tax dollars at work.
Boot seasons have recently been set in units where there is NO cougar season so using a hound to follow a wounded cat is illegal..??????
Of course non deer hunter shooting at what he thinks is a cougar in low light at the end of the day will wound one.
I as well as many hounds men and concerned individuals have stated to our elected Members of Parliament and ASRD that these regulations at some point in time will cause serious injury or death to someone either adult or child.
Our efforts have fallen on deaf ears.

Great story Doug...and unless hounds men like yourself are willing to express concerns and provide proof as in this situation..it goes by without any thought of what "COULD" have happened.
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