Bear dog question.

Swede · Post by **Swede** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 4:23 am

I asked the question becuse we only have plotts in sweden, and i dont know anything about the other breeds. But as im reading here i se that there are other breeds then the plott that works good on bear. And maybe i was a bit unclear with my question. When i wrote why i wanted to know why just you chose to hunt bear with the breed you have, like becuse they are cold noosed, speed,grit ext. You have alot of diffrent breeds for bear hunting there have to be someting diffrent betven al breeds otherwise why have all this breeds? And i dident want this to turn into a pissing contest.

ryan goodwin · Post by **ryan goodwin** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 6:46 am

Alright smily(shane) you pissed me off my post was my personal prefrence and you bashed our kennel name if you want to bring your black dogs up here our i will come down there i dont care get your best and i will bring my best and lets see what happens. i wasnt trying to be a D#$% but im sick of your s%^&. I will put my dogs up aginst any of your dogs any Fricking day.You have never met me our my brother but you are bashing are kennel name i never once said anything about you in my post i just gave my oppion and you took it to far i hope i meet you some day and bring your ursla's plotts becouse i will smoke your a## as a matter of fact i will leave vinni at home and put his daughter up aginst anything you got shane. For a guy that has been doing this 15 years like you said you sure are a S$%^ talker. I really wouldnt care but i really think your a punk and i hope to god i meet you face to face some day you crossed the line with me. Any time any place shane. I know what kinnda calaber of dog you like just like the pecice of s#$% you turned your cousin on to that was suposse to be a bear dog. any ways sorry to all i posted my own oppion and this sorry s.o.b decidied he needed to bash my kennel. SO SHANE LIKE I SAID ANY TIME ANYWHERE I WILL LET MY DOGS DO THE TALKING.

Catch · Post by **Catch** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 11:49 am

LOL

Wow, just had to laugh on that one.

pete richardson · Post by **pete richardson** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:20 pm

the smart half of the board has stayed away from it.

i dont want anybody to think im smart -

a few good ones of every breed,just in my humble experiences the percentages of "top" dogs is higher amongst walkers.
i pretty much agree witheverything travis said , i might say % of good dogs or dogs worth feedin--instead of top dogs .

i havent hunted with enough dogs of other breeds to quess at % but from what ive seen its pretty low in all breeds .

ive seen at least one dog of all 6 breeds that i would feed - ive seen more walkers i would feed than all the others combined-but still not sure the % is higher

ive fed lots of dogs, including walkers that i didnt want to.

seen enuff good walkers that i doubt ill feed anything else

It is my belief that most people have better hearing than I have eyesight

that is the truth , i like that

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i dont know anything about brown bear

- bears that cant climb trees is a whole nother program than bear that dont choose to climb trees-

-dogs that bay at the front end of the bear may stop more bear than dogs that bite at his rear , ive seen this work on some pretty nasty black bear- ive seen a few that werent impressed too

cecil j. · Post by **cecil j.** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:58 pm

ryan goodwin wrote:LETS GET-ER-DONE. A little cage fighting wouldnt hurt a feller lol. this has been brought up before in the past and we allways get the same answer.The plott men,ouch that hurts just saying that word lmao, english,redbone,bluetick,cur,walker ahh, no really its your own flipping oppion to hunt what ever you want on what ever you want. Of course i will say the blood line i we have now is the best wich i truley belive it is but then agin so will the plott man the english o you get it, WALKERS is what I hunt and is all i will hunt so call me coler blind what ever I my dogs do the job just fine and they dont have to prove them selves to nobody eles but me. AND IF YOU DONT LIKE ME BITE ME! all this BS about whos better then who our whos dog is better our breeds better is getting old,this is like high school. caint we all just get along. O MY GOD I ALMOST FOR GOT STRAWBERRY MT. FOR LIFE
LMFAO, Take care just my oppion so dont get your panties in a bunch

Ya I believe ya dawg cause a only any breed to be the king of bear dogs regardless of the line,the trainer and hunten group/ IS COLLER BLIND ; as in a big ice filled cooler filled with beer ! Oh Ya don`t hold back on nothen budd just let er rip ! Hells Bells let the big dog daddy run/ all els get your butts up on the porch/ NUFF SAID (hahahahahaha)

all that is just talk and blow and go sure there is ome good hunters who will act that way about it cause its their mantallity and why they likebear hunting and so they play that game/ but it gets their butt in-the-rinnger now and then when that (off colored dog) comes along and solo showe em that real tuff beat that they got their dogs off of and back too the rigg/ cound next be turned out on behind em by an off colored hound and within 15 minute he had the flippen same bear treed up ! Oh sh3`~t ! they just roll out headed for the house and don`t even offer too go too the tree with that guy too view this solo dog and bad assed bear treed up/ why shoud they their dogs couldn`t get er done so UP ON THE PORCH THEY HAD TOO GET TOO !!!! hey its happen many time befor all over and will again to ! NUFF SAID

Smiley · Post by **Smiley** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:59 pm

First off it is hard to show in typing I was having a little fun as you guys were I never said that one breed had it all just that my personal experiences ( as you stated ) have led you to and others to thier conclusions .
The Strawberry shortcake thing well that was just fun just as the poke about plottguys on your part was in fun I was not bashing or degrading any breed .
I would be more than happy to drop dogs with you but I am telling you right now and I have not said otherwise or led others to believe i have a beardog right now they are doing good and progressing .
Swede

Pete richardson posted here and you might want to talk to him I would be pretty sure if he says a dog is a beardog it is he may be able to help you if he does not have one he may be able to point you in the right direction.
Swede Remember one thing top dogs are not in everyones back yard yes everyone has thier top dog in thier back yard but a true top tier beardog is not something that is real common ( it is my opinion that many have never seen a true top beardog in action ) and those that proffess to produce more than half thier dogs as TOp well thier are either trying to get in your pants or just ignorant of what a true beardog is.
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bearhntwi · Post by **bearhntwi** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:02 pm

Spanky told me something along time ago,a hound only has to please one person,the who feeds em. Thats the truest statement i've heard to this day. Every one has thier own preference in hounds thats how it will always be.

onalimb · Post by **onalimb** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:36 pm

I'm a Plott guy, and I have little respect for most other breeds around here. But I also have very little respect for most Plotts around here too. There are so many Plotts I would shoot if they got close to one of my bitches in heat I couldn't count them. I have heard Plott guys tell me of a smokin pack of Walkers, or Blueticks somewhere, and I know a dude that used to keep some killer looking and hunting Redbones. I have a friend on the east coat that tells me they have some of the grittiest English dogs in the country, and he's from an old Plott family.But no matter what kind of dog they had, they were all ruthless when it came to keeping what I consider a beardog. They never made any bones about making bones out of a cull. I could call my pet Bloodhound a beardog, if I went by the saying "She suits Me" but in my opinion, that wouldn't make her one. I have seen people get rid of beardogs, because they cost them to much in vet bills, it wouldn't have been that way, if they had more than one real one in their pack. It's hard to come by a good beardog, I want one that would suit anybody, not just me. Mine happen to be brindle, black, and buckskin, but I have hunted with other dogs that I would have fed. I would look for beardogs from a place that has no excuses, some guys don't like to brag up their dogs, but you can usually tell they have some by their opinion on one. It's easy to repeat after others, but bearmen, can talk on the phone and figure out who should at least know what a dog is. When I start hearing excuses, or statements like they suit me, I figure I'm talking to someone that likes to hunt bear, not someone that insists on hunting beardogs. Because I know someguys that will only have two dogs in the box, but they will both be the real deal, I know others that will have ten, and couldn't come up with one. I don't think it will ever be a breed thing entirely, I think all breeds suffer from the same deal, people who keep, hunt, breed, and sell dogs that wouldn't suit anybody but them. JMO

Travis Stirek · Post by **Travis Stirek** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:37 pm

onalimb wrote: I don't think it will ever be a breed thing entirely, I think all breeds suffer from the same deal, people who keep, hunt, breed, and sell dogs that wouldn't suit anybody but them. JMO

good post

Rockcreek · Post by **Rockcreek** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 11:45 pm

Travis Stirek wrote:
onalimb wrote: I don't think it will ever be a breed thing entirely, I think all breeds suffer from the same deal, people who keep, hunt, breed, and sell dogs that wouldn't suit anybody but them. JMO
good post

I agree... You nailed it!

Spanky · Post by **Spanky** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 11:57 pm

Rockcreek wrote:
Travis Stirek wrote:
onalimb wrote: I don't think it will ever be a breed thing entirely, I think all breeds suffer from the same deal, people who keep, hunt, breed, and sell dogs that wouldn't suit anybody but them. JMO
good post

I agree... You nailed it!

Well I will be the one to dis-agree with the above post because I don't give a rats ass if my hounds please someone else from another state as long as I am pleased with how they hunt for me, hell I'm the one feeding them. Travis do you really give a hoot what I may think of your hounds when I have never been in the woods with them on bear :?:

I have culled enough hounds to know what gets it done and for an outsider who has never run with my hounds or me to make such a judgement, well that shows whats wrong with the breeds today :roll:

Rockcreek · Post by **Rockcreek** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 12:05 am

We know dude... You play in your world... We'll live in ours... LMAO! :roll:

BigGameHunter · Post by **BigGameHunter** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 11:48 am

Gonna have to agree with Spanky on this one. I've got a pack of dogs that suit me and yup, I am one of those guys who likes to bear hunt. I have seen better than mine but guess what mine suit me cause they catch bears. Don't know how else to judge them. If they consistently catch bears then they suit me, but they might not suit someone else. Oh and for the record. I have a full B&T a full walker, a mixed up B&T X Plott, a Blue, and a full Plott. Like I said, if they consistently catch bear they suit me. I don't give a rats ass about what breed of hound they are.

As always, just my opinion.

Travis Stirek · Post by **Travis Stirek** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:19 pm

Spanky wrote:
Rockcreek wrote:
Travis Stirek wrote:
onalimb wrote: I don't think it will ever be a breed thing entirely, I think all breeds suffer from the same deal, people who keep, hunt, breed, and sell dogs that wouldn't suit anybody but them. JMO
good post

I agree... You nailed it!

Well I will be the one to dis-agree with the above post because I don't give a rats ass if my hounds please someone else from another state as long as I am pleased with how they hunt for me, hell I'm the one feeding them. Travis do you really give a hoot what I may think of your hounds when I have never been in the woods with them on bear

I have culled enough hounds to know what gets it done and for an outsider who has never run with my hounds or me to make such a judgement, well that shows whats wrong with the breeds today

Spank I agree whole heartedly that I really don't care what anyone thinks of me or my line.But you being a breeder and me being a breeder and knowing what kind of hunters we are,we both have that sense of pride in that when we make a cross we are reasonbly sure or HOPE LIKE HELL LOL that the crosses we make are going to please those hunters that are like us(hard hunters and equally hard cullers),or that they are going to save that poor young hunter all the grief that we went through starting out by buying a bunch of junk that #1 should have never been crossed in the first place or #2 shouldn't have been sold or more commonly given to anyone but maybe a pet home(LOL) I guess a better way of putting it would have been not everyone,even some of the guys who are hard hunters should be breeders.One example was I know of one of the best if not the best bear dog i have ever hunted with was crossed with multiple different top females with the same result,culls.Why did they keep breeding him,what I call "stupid pride" you know the kind.One of these crosses is gonna work.The only good thing about this example is none of those pups was ever sold or given to anyone they all stayed right where they were born,but that "stupid pride that puts blinders on some people just won't let them accept that some dogs just don't reproduce themselves or better.I absolutely love the walker Association moto"where the search for superiority never ceases".I don't want to reproduce Matlock,Skip,horn or Rock I want better and I wish more guys that want to breed or sell dogs would feel the same way.

Nolte · Post by **Nolte** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:29 pm

I'm pretty glad I don't have to dig holes according someone else's definition of a "real" bear dog. I don't think I'd have enough time or energy. I do know you'd need an awfully big hole.

We must have different bear here in WI than other parts of the country. I'd say maybe 1 in 10 will catch and bay. The rest run like their ass is on fire and their feet are catching. Even some of the larger bear can be big powder puffs. That 1 bad one out of ten might be a smaller old sow or a big old brute, you can only tell by running them.

In any case, I generally base what a bear dog's level is by how it does on that one bad one, but it still has to be pretty darn reliable on the other 9. For me though, not somebody else. The hard part though is how can you get on enough of those "tough" chases in a year to really evaluate a dog. I know I sure as hell can't, especially when I'm trying to get some green pups in the mix. So if one of those doesn't make the grade, you've got to find another one to see if it does. I can't afford to feed a dozen pups for a year to find one that will make that grade. So I do a couple and hope they work out, if they don't so be it move on.

I might never have a "real" bear dog with my methods, but I'll probably have a few that will do decent for me on bear. They'll tree some, lose a few others and I'll have a helluva good time doing it. When the dust settles on the year, I'd bet good money that the numbers will be pretty damn even.

I'll take one top-knotch start dog that will stick over a dozen trucks full of gritty dogs any day of of the week.

Bear dog question.

did i hear him right (coller blind)

Spanky