crossed up hounds

[tedsmith]

Was reading Merlos post and got to wondering is the running dog influence so strong in a cross that those pups are doomed to failure for lack of tree.

[CRA]

Mr. Ted

First I want to say I have never read Merlos thread so I have no idea what was posted. To give you my opinion, on my experience with running dogs crossed with tree hounds is “NO” they absolutely aren’t doomed for lack of tree. That goes for even in the big timber. I’m sure there are running dog/ tree dog crosses treeing game as I type this out.

I’m not saying that they will all tree like some kind of squirrel treeing cur dog, but with the right cross, right handler, and plenty of exposure to tree game they should tree. Some may take longer to tree than your average tree hound but they should come around if hunted enough and exposed to plenty of tree game. They normally make very accurate tree dogs when they do buy into a tree. They also normally make tough dogs with lots of hunt in them and can be hunted day after day and run hard if properly taken care of. In my opinion it’s a win-win cross if the cross works out, but that’s with any cross “IF” it works out. I find a lot of truth in this quote from Mr. John Wick, “Puppies are like buying a lottery ticket except it takes a year or longer to see if you are a winner or not”.

[slowandeasy]

Guy's, I will just say this. Once upon a time there where people making rope bags!! THERE WAS A MARKET FOR THEM. The reason was because most hounds in the entire hound spectrum, regardless what aspect. Their owner could count on one thing for sure. They pretty much would all trail. ( With the exception of culls, We were not exempt from that during this time period.) But make no bones about it, most would trail and were dam good at it. Now by no means am I saying rope bags are every ones saving grace to making a tree dog. As there are other tricks to aid the process. If you are not aware of this. You are part of the new generation of houndsmen. That insists that tree hounds ( coonhounds ) are slick treeing idiots, and can't run a track. If this last theory is true, I will add this ( IF THEY ARE IDIOTS ). THAN THIS MUST HOLD TRUE FOR THEIR OWNERS. AS BIRDS OF A FEATHER FLOCK TOGETHER!! You can not blame an entire type of breed. For what humans have ruined.

This being said, tree hounds (coonhounds) originated from running dogs. And really they were all HOUNDS.... Have humans through GREED, MONEY, AND IGNORANCE ruined a certain group of hounds??? Probably. Am I starting to believe that some running dog be bought back in??? ABSOLUTLY. But I also will say lets not have the same BIRDS THAT FLOCK TOGETHER UPSET THE APPLE CART. And totally screw things up in the opposite direction!!!!


In other words MAYBE WE SHOULD ALOW THE ONES THAT HAVE A CLUE ABOUT BREEDING MAKE THESE CROSSES. And they are out there. But we probably all have to do a little soul searching!!! AS HAVE YOU ALL MET A HOUNDSMEN THAT DIDN'T KNOW IT ALL, OR HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS???? Remember SELF PRAISE STINKS!!! When you are on the write road your PEERS WILL ALWAYS LET PEOPLE KNOW WAY FASTER THAN YOU POSSIBLY COULD.


Take care, Willie

[1bludawg]

Ted ,if you could find a copy of the book "The Locating Treedog " by Obe Cory it will present some good information on this controversial subject .If you can't find one i could loan you mine.

[tedsmith]

been away from computer thanks for responding 1bluedawg I'll check wit with my public library they are in some kind of book sharing program for couple bucks get most anything. If not I will take you up on your offer. slowandeasy the only thing I have used a rope bag for was to carry ropes. So I must be part of the latter. I do find dogs and people have a lot in common the ones who bark the most and the loudest usually have the least amount of coons. I am not a breeder or seller of dogs. Just a struggling want to be bobcat hunter really, So your last reprimand will easy enough to follow. CRA that is kinda what I was wondering shouldn't half of them be more prone to tree than just a straight running dog. Leaving a treed animal would be one thing screaming down a back would be another thing entirely.

[1bludawg]

Ted,sent my number and Email in PM.

[al baldwin]

I was a fan of cross bred dogs, preferred those that had more tree than running blood in them. I believer cross breds are most time healthy individuals that live a longer life spam & give you on few more productive years on average. Just my observations over the years. Al

[1bludawg]

Ted,one last thing.When you get the book check out chapters 2 and 3 on heredity and tree sense.He gives a light course in genetics and dominate and recessive traits .He also sets up a Punnet Square that shows what you can expect to get when you cross a tree dog with a average or non- treeing dog.I think this will be extremely helpful in your future endeavors.Good Luck!

[Dads dogboy]

Mr. Robin,

I just found a copy of "The Locating Treedog" on ABE Books for $125.00. We bought it and will send it to Ted when we see him next month.

Thanks for the Heads up on the Book and it's Content. This now leaves Dad missing only one of Cory's Books.

[1bludawg]

Man ! I didn't realize they would be that expensive Dad's Dogboy.I ordered all his books back in the 70's. Enjoyed his books as they had some good information for aspiring breeders.That was good of you to purchase the book for him.Always good to help people!

[Dads dogboy]

Mr. Robin,

Received the Cory book this morning.

Finished reading it a few minutes ago! It should be a MUST read for anyone wanting to breed Hounds. His working explanation of Genetics and use of the Punnet's Square.

Also people who advertise Stud Hounds would be well served reading the Chapters on Stud Hounds and heed Cory's advise on what to and not to Advertise!

The copy I got was a first Edition in Mint Condition with Mint dust cover. I ordered "The TrailHounds" from the same place.

Thanks for the referral!

[1bludawg]

Dad's Dogboy,I enjoyed his books.Didn't agree with everything he said but he made some very valid points.Has Ted read it yet? You guys might like to read some of Guy Ormiston's articles.He writes for Coonhound Bloodlines now.He writes some very informative articles on breeding.He's also written a book on breeding that i intend to order.He's an old Blueticker but don't hold that against him.

[Dads dogboy]

Mr. Robin,

We along with all of Dad's disciple's have read Ormiston's Booklet on the "Working Dog", as well as many of his Hound breeding articles. Fortunate to live close enough to have visited him several times. His Blue Dogs are very good for what they are Bred for.

His works are very practical in their delivery but lack the detail that is found in Bracketts works!

Dr. Hop White, a PHD in Animal Science at Texas A&M and an Old Time Wolf Hunter wrote many very good Articles on Hound Breeding, Breeding for selected Traits, and Line Breeding. Many of his works can be found @ www.foxhoundspastandpresent.com

I will be sending Ted Cory's book next week....I am sure he will enjoy reading it!