Bear dog question.

Black&TanMan1 · Post by **Black&TanMan1** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:55 pm

Just out of curriosty are you guys plott men? The reason these 100-150 lbrs are coming up is 1st some one said there dogs "stretch them"and 2nd is that around were i hunt its not the big bear that are so hard to tree but the smaller ones that want to fight. A big bear that wants to fight usually isnt as likely to kill dogs as that lightning quick 150lber is. I guess I will never see these type of dogs you are talking about nor have i ever meet anyone who has. My next question is how of the dogs in your pack are"bear dogs". True Blue i agree with you 110%. I assume these guys dont consider the fact that a dog has to be fast to catch bear consistently. Id be very surprised if they werent plott men, judging by the way they talk.

cecil j. · Post by **cecil j.** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:00 am

BigGameHunter wrote:Good post True Blue, and Ankle Express and everyone else. It is sort of refreshing to be able to have an actual conversation on this topic without everyone bashing the crap out of everyone else's opinion. It's nice to be able to hear other opinions and learn what else is out there.

Hey Bib Game Hunter, your right and but there is guys whos dogs will fight too the death because they have the confidance in me bout the hunter comeing an he expects it from em/ he will risk his life too with his pack on a caught bear on the ground or in a cave or mine shaft etc ! Them very small percentiages of super men,super power bearfighten teams of hounds an hunters are tuned-in and excell were angles fear too tred/ I`m given them their earned dues and I`m not one of em, yes I`ld go down in on abay up in the canyon just sporting a Indianna Jones bowwie knife but now if I use it its because I cant leash em back off that SOB & I`ve got too say myself & my dogs. Luckleyv for me and my dogs I dont have too use it and but its what I brong if I need too use something.
I know a lot of hunters who use a 380 semi auto Lamma pocket gun and its killed as many bear up close as anything else has ! That makes dogs fight a bear/ 2 things I don`t want (my dogs doen) speakeing for em I hunted when was able .... a) do not grab from behind a bear stoped too fight, I`d rather he run around and around circleing the bear and danceing ziz szggen in and wollen and poppen his jaws and growllwn and layen fangs in that bears nose than tryen to sneak up behind and goen for his nutts & wannger like a pig dog ! and b) stay in his face croudden the bear up close and yet respectfull knowing the bear is lighten quick-but buffolowing and bluff chargen an poppen his jaws and snarllen and wanten to fang like a cobbrra at the bear/ I want that bear too reconsider things and turnand peal bark tryen too go up the nearest tree he can find! Like you treeing up the bear is what I`m after,not a dog who is deturmand too pull a bear off the side of a tree trunk while hes tryen too climb up!

Catch · Post by **Catch** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:13 am

I'm not in a pissing match here. I guess because you haven't seen it or heard it from your friends it does not happen. If you would like to see a pack of dog work a bear hard let me know and we can go hunting. If you don't want to see it and believe that kind of dog does not exist, whatever.

Where do you hunt so I can go and see what you are talking about? What Unit and what state?

cecil j. · Post by **cecil j.** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:53 am

Catch wrote:I'm not in a pissing match here. I guess because you haven't seen it or heard it from your friends it does not happen. If you would like to see a pack of dog work a bear hard let me know and we can go hunting. If you don't want to see it and believe that kind of dog does not exist, whatever.

Where do you hunt so I can go and see what you are talking about? What Unit and what state?

I`m standen up for ya dawg cause your one of the only 10 % of hound hunters who had BIG BRASS BALLS % WILL DEFEND HIS DOGS TOO THE DEATH & YOUR DOGS KNOW YOU EXPECT THEM TOO DIE TRYEN AND TOO THEM YOUR THE CALVERY COMMEN TOO THE WRECK & RESCUE //////

I was talken too you in a pm bout the way you worded too me what ya came off and said and how ya said it too me by GOD/ I went back and checked out every friggen post you made and how they ganged up on you and concluded/hes holden his own useing respectfull re-posts too em and they sure diddn`t appcreat that and just acted out futher !?So I reposted too them for your benifit and told em things that different calaber of why hunters hunt different kinds of dogsd/ as you will note by their reply then didn`t say nothen wrong bout my post then. Why ya come off and went silly on me is a mystery too me cause I didn1t (never-never-never) say you was a lier nor a fool nor missguided/DID I ? What I pmed you was infact I`ll just say it out right Catch/ when ya want too be your a piss ant headed louad mouthed SOB looken for trouble and not me but someone some weres some weres somehow is goen too let you be his huckelberry and goen too light you up like a pinball board machine/ LOL get a friggen grip on reality man a guy cant even be for ya and tryen too stop the miff goen on by others against ya/ hells bells bubba you crazzy as a pet coon !!

jack pepper Olympia Wa. 63 yrs old and too old for this puppy pissen contest yeasssss!

Look catch, you are probably a honestly easy goen guy just is this thing here has a can tied too your tail, and your hotter than your reasonable!
Don`t bother trying too show this guy what ya got so he can make a big ta do about it/just let his buddies educat him as too he was just wrong and he would of pmd ya at some point and time and humbled himself to of have made a sorry mistake about it and that should conclude your 2 in that little tiff/ what the hey do you care what someone who isent of the same mind set in how he actually expects from himself and his kept pack too HAVEING BE LIKE YOU & YOUR KEPT DOGS ?
To be real honest bubba, I wouldn`t at any time in the 50 yrs of hunten behind me of hunted dogs like you got/ WHY ??? Only because I`m not that ruthless at being so bold and a) I don`t want too ruient nor get em killed cause I dont plan on running-in point blank range like some fricken half crazzed dageo pig hunter ! I hunt too tree em, or hold the bear bayed up, it not only suites me, its how I hunt ! I dont want a dog too just bay and circle he bear/I expect him too mix it up, but at some point-in-time my dogs would of knowed this bear cant climb or just wont climb and thus settel-in holding bay up waiting on the calvery tooo arive !
If some hunter has a bug up his butt about your suited type of dogs an your style of how too get right asnd go for the gold and all/ just put him on your cull list as a crack pot who has too run his jibbs when he hasent a clue about how ya hunt true enoughf said/ but shoot he don`t want any part of that stuff your talken/he hurd ya,it didn`t set well cause its just not his foretay and unfortunitelly he just couldn`t keep his mouth shut from then on out. I`m not happy with the pannel monurater now swithcen your post from below mine too in front of mine so I look like an ass whole/ by god he posted mine firs,then yours= so it looked like I just got pissed at something you said too someone else! And that sorry said sh352 in my view too pull a dirty trick like that/hell if your post would of been above mine (not below mine) I`d not said a word/ I`d of just let you 2 go at it; that guy din`t fix things he just added a mess in this sogga and he needs to say he made a mistake and or is just trying too change things too fix a bad deal goen futher south !

Smiley · Post by **Smiley** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:26 pm

Yes I am a "PLOTTGUY" ( :lol:

) And in 15 years I have only owned one true top beardog and no it was not a plott ( well part plott ) . I have owned several good bear dogs but there is a difference between good and top.At this time I do not own a top beardog .
I have only seen a dozen or so top bear dogs period , they are not in everyones back yard like some would have you believe.

I have not or do I imply you do not have good beardogs or even top beardogs ( I have not hunted with you to make that observation) .

Ankle Express · Post by **Ankle Express** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:59 pm

Let me say this respectfully but I take great offense to even being considered a plott man. Only real unforgivable sin when I was growing up would have been to come home w/ a plott. Could have done anything else really short of being gay and still had a roof over my head.

Also I have only seen hounds stretch and or kill bears that wouldn't make legal weight limits if you know what I mean. One was a blind rig in training season and the other was late in kill season. Nothing to be proud of either way and wouldn't have intentionally tried to do it either.

All I expect a dog to do is work after it gets there be it first or last. Work hard for every chance to grab something. Ideally grab/bite its calfs or hams and move back. And get the bear off their co-workers when need be. If everybody works hard it'll be to busy to keep trying to run just one down anyway. I don't expect everything to climb but I do expect to catch them all. I expect to catch them all anywhere I want to go. I don't consider a cut up dog anything more than a dog that got caught. Fact is I've seen what I consider gritty bear catchers do it w/out having a hair out of place. Granted they most likely have had some hair parted at some point in their lives. But here's the biggie they go back like it never happened no matter how bad and still work a bad bear to try to make it do something it wasn't wanting/planning to do that day. If a bear won't back them off then yes they will try to make it do something. Thats all I want on top of being super fast, super tough and a cold trailing machine.

This means alot right here (finally understood something Cecil wrote, just razzing you a little buddy)

Hey Bib Game Hunter, your right and but there is guys whos dogs will fight too the death because they have the confidance in me bout the hunter comeing an he expects it from em/ he will risk his life too with his pack on a caught bear on the ground or in a cave or mine shaft etc ! Them very small percentiages of super men,super power bearfighten teams of hounds an hunters are tuned-in and excell were angles fear too tred

Hence the Ankle Express sign in. I'm coming and I can travel and I desire to be front row.

Old bunch I used to hunt with got that started. They called a few of us the Ankle or heel/toe Express because they used to say to newbie's - You can buy your ticket now or pay later but if your going with them you will pay. Its a deal not for the weak/faint of heart all the way through. With real bear catchers you can't leave them on bear. You have to go get them. Its hard to explain to them that today ain't a killing day. You'll play hell and work your butt off trying to pull them safely off a training season bear that won't climb. Makes for some perdicaments and some picking and choosing. I've got about two more weeks of probation left because I'm coming. Bottom line and they know it. Sometime I'm coming. Come hell or high water or cover half of Georgia if they do their job I'll do mine and show up. Tough deal to make and even tougher to let them down because they wouldn't.

B&T man · Post by **B&T man** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:57 am

Ankle Express wrote:Old bunch I used to hunt with got that started. They called a few of us the Ankle or heel/toe Express because they used to say to newbie's - You can buy your ticket now or pay later but if your going with them you will pay. Its a deal not for the weak/faint of heart all the way through. With real bear catchers you can't leave them on bear. You have to go get them. Its hard to explain to them that today ain't a killing day. You'll play hell and work your butt off trying to pull them safely off a training season bear that won't climb. Makes for some perdicaments and some picking and choosing. I've got about two more weeks of probation left because I'm coming. Bottom line and they know it. Sometime I'm coming. Come hell or high water or cover half of Georgia if they do their job I'll do mine and show up. Tough deal to make and even tougher to let them down because they wouldn't.

I couldn't have wrote that better if I had tried a 100 times. This is the best thing I have read in this entire thread and agree 100% Exacty how I feel!

onalimb · Post by **onalimb** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:43 am

edited, because of mistaken identity, hope you do the same B&T Man.

bearhunter77 · Post by **bearhunter77** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:51 am

All this love going on here. Come on fellas. Everybody come on over to my place whiskey's on me. Once everbody's drunk then we can talk about what a real bear hound is or isn't. Of course no knives, guns, glass bottles, or hot wives and girlfriends allowed. They'll just complicate things ya know. :lol:

Spanky · Post by **Spanky** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:42 am

Do ya have any Coors lite :roll:

B&T man · Post by **B&T man** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:11 pm

onalimb wrote:B&T Man, ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!
How do you agree 100% with something you don't even believe in??????
Pretty damn funny!

Wrong B&T man.

onalimb · Post by **onalimb** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:01 pm

Wrong B&T man? ok, I went back and edited out of respect, and apologize for the mistake, as we have no reason to be enemies.

B&T man · Post by **B&T man** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:28 pm

Sorry Bud. Pissed me off even though it was the wrong guy. Still good thread though.

Nolte · Post by **Nolte** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 3:26 pm

Ankle Express wrote: Thats all I want on top of being super fast, super tough and a cold trailing machine.

Is that all, sounds like no problem.

I really liked your definition up above. I to expect to "catch" them all but understand that some will likely get away. I don't expect to tree them all though.

From my experience, more tracks get away because you can't start them versus you can't "catch" them.

I like to get them as gritty as possible and still have a pretty good chance to grow old. Not being beat to hell all the time is also a plus. Nothing worse than having the A-team gimped up on the first day and then having to run the JV squad. A few of the toughest dogs I've seen work a bear never hardly got cut up, while some other "softer" dogs always had holes.

onalimb · Post by **onalimb** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:20 pm

No sweat, sorry for this mis-i.d.

Ya, ol Ankle makes a lot of sense without trying.

Bear dog question.

Re: Nice

MRNCATCH are you on drugs or drunk or whatv?