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[greyfoxexterminator]

Hey how's every one doin. Does anybody hunt grey fox on hear ??

[Jkohnke]

I do. But I don't tree them and I surely don't shoot them. Running dogs only here. I run reds ,greys and coyotes

[greyfoxexterminator]

U never tree em ?

[scrubrunner]

Welcome to the site, I don't know about in Ms. But here in my part of fl. Fox rarely tree. They will run for 15 min. to 8 hrs. and than go in a gopher (tortoise) hole. Any hound that digs or bays at the hole is given or sold the a deer hunter.

[Jkohnke]

Exactly. If I wanted to walk to a tree I would be hunting a big eared blue tick or something. Just a running sport here. If a fox holes or goes in a tree my dogs best be getting gone and striking another one to put the heat on. Running walkers don't tree. I've had hundreds of them in the last 30 years and if one did try to tree I would cull him. These dogs are bred to run a track until its caught or there's no more track. We don't shoot fox ahead of dogs here. That's a sin here in southern fox hunting. We might should move this conversation to the bobcat fox board lol

[greyfoxexterminator]

Ya I've ran grey fox in to dens. But most of the time they tree. What kind of dogs do u got

[Jkohnke]

Running walkers.

[Flip]

Jkohnke I can respect your fun in a hard race but keep an open mind.thats your opinion of a running walker in your country.ive been running crogens a long time too in fact there out of glassey if u know the breeding.i have the same races 10 min to 4 hrs.our country is as thick as it gets in most places and steep. I wouldn't own one that won't locate and tree. They catch em on the ground on a dark night too. I tree lots of fox and wil admit some dogs don't make tree dogs but some do.the races can be crazy fast and hearing the dogs bark as hard as they can and run one down doing it is unexplainable.theres some hard core fox hunters here where I live and I've seen several great straight running dogs that trail locate and tree. You said you have had hundreds of them well it sounds like your older dogs carry out your style of hunting.not trying to be rude but I hunt hard and have a lot of time in this sport too and just don't agree about running walkers

[Jkohnke]

I'm not saying a running dog won't tree they are just not bred for that. If you want to tree fox and have some that do that's great. I'm not real familiar with the crogan line of dogs. Have seen a few in this part of the country but they were known more for grit /kill dogs on coyotes. We are hunting the same species in two different ways. I can respect yours. But if a mans coyote or fox hound trees in this part of the country he gets laughed away from the campfire. Any tree that was in theses southern foxhounds has long been bred out generations ago.

[kickemall]

Jkohnke - do you run mostly red fox or quite a few greys too?

[Jkohnke]

More grey here than red. Reds like big open woods and that's almost a thing of the past here with all the clear cutting and thick cut overs. We still have a few reds and would rather run them. Our greys run short loops and are really hard to run at times. The reds will stretch out and run like a coyote. Takes a pretty decent dog here to run a grey fox hard enough to make him go to a hole. I've seen them in trees before but most of the time when our grey are running they go in a hole.

[Flip]

I have heard a lot about that style of hunting but don't really understand it clearly how many dogs do u run at a time? Fox dogs are all about how they turn with a fox and not make any looses some dogs are wide swingers and some are tight turners and with my knowledge a fox can't last any mor than 30 minutes of the right pressure put on him. Every loose starts his clock over again and in the right thick country putting this kind of pressure on one is hard for dogs to do every time but when a fox goes in a hole or in a tree it's like a dog making a loose and seems like an un finished situation.i can see if dogs were really driving a fox and shut it down when it went in a hole but not a lot of fox want near that kind of pressure on them to tree or go in a hole so if they make a loose u have to assume the caught it. Crogens may be a coyote bred dog but they hurt there selves trying to catch the animal and want that blood in there mouth.i hunt 7 dogs together as a team all the time and rarely hunt any strange dogs with them. I have a trigg female that ties to a fox like she has a rope on him but it seems like the crogens are faster and when they learn how to quit overrunning the track and make good track dogs there deadly in this country. I do t understand how anyone could degrade a dog for locating a tree that's good dog work on his part. I don't kill many fox that tree I just pet them up and go on and could call them off a tree. I agree with the sport of it being in a race but just like to accurately give closure to me and the dogs in every race if I can. It's the one that u know for sure that got away that a guy remembers

[Jkohnke]

Not degrading dogs that tree. Just not the style here. This is southern fox hunting we do here. No one likes the fox to tree or hole. It's a sport of speed and drive and endurance of the running dog. We watch the road crossings and see who's dog is on the front end of the race and who's is not. I've got 19 Dogs right now. It's nothing to have 25 -30 dogs in a race when you hunt with other people. When you say fox hunting in the south it's strictly a running sport and competition style hunt where you have to have a fast hard driving tuff dog that can run his game. We just have different styles but not bashing your way. It's whatever floats your boat

[Flip]

I get it what ever style works for u. Do u guys run coyotes too if not how do u keep them all broke and what if there's a pair of fox. are there dogs running everywhere or do they all pack up well? That sounds like a lot of dogs to run and care for. I guess that's the place to find new blood with there being so many dogs to choose from all the time. What's the country like there

[Jkohnke]

We run coyotes and fox with the same dogs. And yes sometime there are multiple races going on. We do a lot of pen hunting too. We have pens here from 200 -1200 acres and are mostly stocked with coyote but some fox. Our outside hunting is in thick flat country. We live in the piney woods here. Lots of overgrown clear cut and pine thickets with briars.