The Ultimate Bobcat Dog, PART ONE...

[Dan McDonough]

Merlo,

There is a four DVD set proving that you haven't seen everything yet. I have two of them. That dog is the real deal.

[muttman82]

those lurchers must have a ton of drive they still look ready to hunt, and must be so fast the snow doesnt even get their fur wet. Cant wait to see pictures of them in the field and the game they catch

[Dan McDonough]

Hey, California Crack-shot, how"s the snow supposed to get sticky if it hasn't gotten close to thawing temps.?

[muttman82]

not sure im not too familar on the snow thing but i can bet u anything those dogs u have claimed to have hunted havent been off that chain quite some time. I know what a tired hound looks like because i take my dogs hunting. I think by posting pictures of your dogs on a chain in your front yard only gives the sport a black eye, if you caught game that would be the pictures you posted. Its like having children involved in sports and only taking pictures of them while they are asleep. showing a dog tied to a chain in front yard ONLY, in my opnion gives the antis ammo that they dont need.

[Dan McDonough]

You can always find some other thread to be a nuisance on...there's that.

You do know that there is record of what you've posted on this site right? If you don't I'll remind you.

On June 13th of 2012 you posted:

"I am pretty new to hound hunting, was wondering if anyone had any experience with a coon swimming across a river on them. My pup acted like he was on one the other night started opening a little, at first with his nose on the ground like he was tracking, then he started looking across the river and opening. I shined my light and saw two sets of eyes in a tree across the river. Im not sure weather he chased them across or if he was just winding them in the tree, he is pretty young and doesnt make much noise till he is pretty close to a critter. There is just as many trees on the side of the river i was on as the other side of the river, so i kind of figured they were just up there and he was winding them. Any thoughts or opinions would be greatly appreciated."

So, with around two years of experience, you think you have all of the answers?

Your not welcome on this post fool.

[muttman82]

Never had any answers to anything just calling it how is see it, and it's an open forum if u can't take a little criticism that's not my issue no need for the name calling

[Dan McDonough]

Your not welcome here.

[muttman82]

As someone who is suppose to be a well respected member of leopard community u sure are immature it's not your place to tell me where I am welcome like I said its a public forum and I can and will continue to post whenever and where ever I feel

[Big N' Blue]

Have to agree with Dan on this one muttman82. you don't seem to be worthy of being part of this discussion if all you are going to do is try to stir the pot for no reason.

[muttman82]

No problem big n blue not going to continue arguing with anyone wasn't my intention but as u can see by the posts all I did was point out something and he started the name calling and and immaturity , I won't continue to hi jack the post I'm will to talk to anyone anytime jason delgado 661 246-5312

[Big N' Blue]

Very mature answer Jason. Thank You!!

David Sudduth 713-829-0046

[david]

I know what a tired hound looks like because i take my dogs hunting. I think by posting pictures of your dogs on a chain in your front yard only gives the sport a black eye, ...showing a dog tied to a chain in front yard ONLY, in my opnion gives the antis ammo that they dont need.

Sorry to further jack the thread Dan...

Jason, we all have our fears and insecurities and they become more visible when we are attacking some one. One fear that many of us have is the fear of terrorists. I don't know how long you have lived in California, but living there you are surrounded by terrorists. I know that many people in California are so intimidated by them that they have to second guess their every move. When you live that way, the terrorist wins.

Maybe some day the tough houndsmen of Wisconsin will also live as you do in fear of the terrorists, letting them dictate everything said and done. But probably not anytime soon. If they want to show a photo to their buddies of their dogs on a chain, they do. And their buddies appreciate it. And they dont even see the chain because a large percent of the top hounds they have known were kept on a chain when not being hunted. These are healthy happy dogs that live for hunting. And sometimes they live longer than kenneled dogs because they will not fight a snare.

Back 30 years ago, People began moving from California North to Oregon in droves. their houses were worth so much in California they could sell a small house there, move to Oregon or Washington and buy a mansion. I remember a bumper sticker back then that said "dont Californicate Oregon". But the sticker didnt help because it happened to not only Oregon, but Washington. The current politics of those states are testimony to it. And People with politcal agenda from California are infiltrateing other states as we speak. They don't really need your help Jason. Don't try to Californicate Wisconsin. One of the Wisconsin boys might call you foolish if you do.

those lurchers must have a ton of drive they still look ready to hunt, and must be so fast the snow doesnt even get their fur wet. ...I know what a tired hound looks like because i take my dogs hunting. ...Cant wait to see pictures of them in the field and the game they catch

Just a quick reminder these dogs look huge, but they are under 7 months old as near as I can figure. Hard driving running dogs can do themselves permanent damage if allowed to hunt hard too early. Even coon dogs can be hurt by it. Some top-most trainers such as John Wick believe and teach that a dog should be allowed to grow up before being hunted. His are closer to a year or 13 months when he starts hunting them, if I remember right. He has trained hundreds of young dogs. Yes, we all like to talk about how early our dogs are doing it all. He believes the final and finished product is diminished by hunting them early. He believes they never fully become what they could have if allowed to grow up first. (like putting a promising Jr. High Quarter Back in for Paton Manning against the Seahawk defense. It could conceivably have a detrimental effect on his football future. And other factors that don't fit this analogy. ).

So it might come off to some folks as foolish to suggest that these puppys should look beat up and tired from being hunted hard.

Although I sure understand Dan's reaction, (and you must have wanted a reaction,) I wouldn't call you a fool Jason. I guess you got what you set out to get (a reaction).

You are probably a lot more like me than not like me, and I understand your point. Might be that you were lacking some information when you made it though. I have done the same thing many times.

[david]

Any way, I requested the pictures, and I got them. thank you! Keep them coming and keep us posted on develpments on the project.

[Dan McDonough]

We're in for a nice break this week. The consistent cold of this winter is finally about to break. It's looking to get above freezing for the first time since somewhere around Christmas. We could crack the 40 degree mark on Wedn. I will be messing around with a new way to introduce the dogs to fox. I'm sure it's been tried before but my idea is to get out to a friends ice shack and do some calling. Since the moon is pretty full right now it may be very bright one of these nights all of the critters around here will be walking the truck and snow machine trails on the lake looking for scraps around the ice shacks. I'll be splitting them up running 1 stag with 1 lurcher and slipping them to spotted game. If I stay within 200 yards of shore, I think I will be able to time the races right so that the race will go offshore and the dogs will have to switch to their nose some. This can be accomplished in most calling situations but the reason for my choosing this one will be to minimize the amount of time it will take to get the dogs accustomed to the calling. The cover of the enclosed ice shack will hide the dogs squirrelling around while we wait for the critters to come off the shoreline. The critters are accustomed to some activity and sounds coming from the ice shacks and are less likely to be spooked by the dogs rustling around inside. That's the plan anyway. It should be a fun outing no matter what.

[Flip]

Just a quick response to hunting a dog too early. I totally dis agree I have trained lots of good dogs and always start them about 7 months in hard races.they learn how to get around through the creeks and brush and they get behind at first but the good ones figure it out in a month or so and don't bark behind. I have a 9 month old young dog that can stay with my dogs in a 2 hour race at night and get a part. I don't think she can run a fox as fast and steady by her self but can darn sure get some with the old dogs. These dogs don't live long enough to start them late. I have 8 dogs the oldest being 5 and started every one of them very young and today they catch lots of varmints. If u hunt the piss out of a pup he learns more when he's tired it makes it easier and really all to gain nothing really to lose.