dog not staying treed

muttman82 · Post by **muttman82** » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:16 am

I have a question for you more experienced guys out there. I have a dog that will be two in may he does really well for the most part hes in the front of the pack on almost every race he will tree good as long as hes run the majority of the race. But I hunt with an old timer that changes his mind quite a bit, sometimes he will let him road with the old dogs sometimes he makes me hold him back until the track is heated up and moving pretty good, or even till they are treed. So when i turn him into a race that is close to over, or over, he hasn't been treeing its only been in the last month or so. On saturday they treed before he got in the race and when i was on my way to the tree i caught him trying to run his own track it was in the snow and it was a good runable track. Is this a bad thing or is it ok that he wants to run his own game. My first instinct is that im glad he wants to be independent and run his own game, am i totally wrong should he be at that tree no matter what? I realize this should probly go in the training section but it seems like it takes forever to get an answer

1bludawg · Post by **1bludawg** » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:55 am

I've seen several dogs that were like you describe your dog.Most likely he'll tree better with age and experience.My advice would be to hunt the hair off him .Sounds like a real good prospect!

silentnight · Post by **silentnight** » Thu Feb 13, 2014 2:17 pm

To me your taking the thrill of the hunt away from him.. Think about all your buddies going to a tree for awhile then when they are leaving you get to walk in by yourself for a min..

muttman82 · Post by **muttman82** » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:10 pm

Thanks for the answers so at this point would it benefit him more to be hunted on his own then ?

1bludawg · Post by **1bludawg** » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:45 pm

Hunt him alone as much as you can but i would still hunt with your buddy and his dogs on occasion.A dog hunted alone will usually make a better dog if he has it in him and it sounds like yours does .

Jeff Eberle · Post by **Jeff Eberle** » Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:41 pm

could be he is getting ran off the tree by one of the other dogs. I would never turn my dogs into someone else's dogs treed. If your dog will run it own track you are better off to go run by yourself and get beat then to turn a two year old into treed dogs.

radar · Post by **radar** » Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:29 pm

Natural leader. Time to break away from the old timer, unless he gets to start the track with the other dogs. When you seen him trying to start his own track, did you identify what it was? good game or bad game or flaming hot track, from game up the tree? I've seen young dogs that didn't see the animal go up the tree, coming in late. Back track the hot track that's up the tree and if they sound good enough, they sometimes will even sucker the unconfident dogs off the tree. The ones who maybe haven't seen, enough game go up to be 100% sure that it is up. I'd hunt him alone or make it a point to your buddy, that you want your dog turned lose with the starters. If he wants to see you succeed as a hounds men and thinks your dog is worth a dam. He'll wait for you to get there if his dogs rig it or if he finds a track, and you guys can turn lose together.good luck :mrgreen:

muttman82 · Post by **muttman82** » Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:12 am

thanks everybody for all the input, its kinda what i was leaning towards but didnt wanna be a turncoat to the guy who taught me everything. Radar to answer your question the track looked fresh and it was good game and not the one up the tree, it was going the other way and a different species. My dog has struck and ran his own fox track before as well so i know he can do it, like jeff eberle said i will just have to get use to not catching as much game. thanks again for all the help any other opinions will be gladly taken.

Flip · Post by **Flip** » Sun Feb 16, 2014 2:51 pm

Treeing a fox is not the most important part for a young dog it's track time.i would ask your friend to tell u what he thinks your dog is doing wrong to cause him to not let u road him to start with the old dogs or what he doesn't like about him in the race. Your dog will learn more running a track for an hour and it getting away than he will treeing 3 easy pop up fox.your dog needs the old dogs to help him learn to push and hang on to the track.when u tree a fox jump it out for another hot race.thats when u tie the old dogs back and let him do things on his own.i never let my young dogs venture off from the old dogs untel I know they are able to tree a fox on there own.fox hunting makes dogs excitable and roading your dogs gives them opportunity to run trash or have bad habits so the longer your dog has guidence the better he will be.the only time a young fox dog should be by thereself is on a jump out or a trapped fox u turned loose for him.remember track time is huge treeing will come naturally.

muttman82 · Post by **muttman82** » Sun Feb 16, 2014 3:16 pm

thanks flip for the advice. I do kick out every fox that we can to the dogs and my dog will run and tree those on his own last week we had two trees and two different kick outs. First one i let my dog go first and he treed it before anybody caught up to him. The second one i let him go last and he still treed it before the other dogs got there. Its just that the old man i hunt with is inconsistent sometimes my dog is allowed to road with the dogs and sometimes not. He has never caused a problem and the old timer even compliments him for that. Never started a trash race never barks off track, shuts up on a loss, and will stay treed as long as he was part of the race. I just dont understand why sometimes he has him road and sometimes makes me hold him back.I know i didnt post all that originally didnt wanna make it too wordy. I see where u are coming from and agree totally my dog has learned so much from his dogs its unreal, he would not be doing a quarter of the stuff that he does with those lessons learned from the older dogs. Im just at the point of trying to figure out wether my dog needs to be hunted alone to find out what hes made of or just keep hunting with the old timer and hope he doesnt make me hold him back

norcalkemmer · Post by **norcalkemmer** » Sun Feb 16, 2014 5:06 pm

Sounds like its time to see what your dog can do on his own. You probably won't be walking to many trees at first but when you do, your walking in to your trees! As long as you keep turning him into dogs that's all he'll be a turn in dog. Sounds like he's had a good start so the sooner he figures it out the sooner he'll be a lead dog. Jmo!!

Flip · Post by **Flip** » Sun Feb 16, 2014 5:16 pm

It sounds like your friend your hunting with is a little jealous of the success your having with your young dog

dognamedsue · Post by **dognamedsue** » Tue Feb 18, 2014 2:59 pm

Have you ever asked your older friend why he wants it out some times or why he says to keep him up some times? There may be a reason for the inconsistency? I hunted with and learned from an older gentleman there and he did stuff like that too but It all came togather one day and he helped me alot! I owe everything I pretty much know to him and a bunch of stuff on my own but I always asked questions as to why we were doin something. This may not be the case with your situation but never hurts to ask! I will add that old people have old ways but they will supprise you as to their reasons some times and it may make sense.

henpeck · Post by **henpeck** » Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:36 pm

Ditto on asking questions, but that hound needs nothing but fox tracks and branch water from here on out.......he will not learn or improve in the box......lot of unknown variables....