Gun control
Gun control
Friday, 24 January 2014 20:20
Written by Michael Hammond
Why Gun Owners Should Oppose 8 Million New Anti-gun Voters
The House Republican leadership will soon announce a set of "principles" for immigration reform. Supposedly, if these "principles" are not well-received, the House will shelve the issue for the remainder of the year.
To be blunt: The health of the Second Amendment relies on demolishing these "principles."
Immigration reform will add over 8,000,000 anti-gun voters to the voting rolls. There may be as many as 11.5 million persons illegally in the United States. And, a Pew poll from last year indicated that if illegal immigrants were given citizenship, they would vote for liberal, anti-gun candidates by an 8-to-1 margin.
This is exactly what happened to California -- which was once a Red State. Because of the Simpson-Mazzoli amnesty bill of 1986, the state lurched violently to the left and now can’t pass gun control restrictions fast enough.
If this were to happen at the national level, we would lose the ability to stop massive gun bans and gun registration schemes. And all of this occurs at a time when a Fox poll shows the American people oppose Obama’s immigration policies by a margin of 36% to 54%.
The first reality is this: If the House passes ANYTHING, the Senate will tack on its amnesty bill and send it to conference. And the national conversation will turn off of ObamaCare and onto immigration.
And guess what? Every gun-hating institution which moved heaven and earth to pass gun control will move heaven and earth to get the House to retreat -- if not to a "pathway to citizenship," to a "pathway to legalization."
They will have created the biggest and most motivated Obama-loving movement in the country -- devoted to electing anti-gun politicians and retaining Harry Reid's control of the Senate.
THE BAIT-N-Switch
What will Republicans get, in exchange for creating an army of pro-Obama election warriors?
A secure border? The leadership's "principles" will embrace the myth that Obama can be trusted to "secure the borders" if Republicans create 8,000,000 new Obama voters. But it should tell you something that Democrats have steadfastly refused to condition amnesty on measurable border progress, determined by an objective arbiter.
If the anti-gun ObamaCare law has shown us anything, it is that the law is irrelevant to Barack Obama, when it impedes his political objectives. You would have to be delusional to assume that Obama will do anything to secure the border, once his "quid pro quo" is firmly in hand.
What about E-Verify (also known as "Healthcare.gov for Jobs")?
After the colossal failure of "government checks for guns" ("Brady Checks") and "government checks for insurance" (ObamaCare), one would have to be crazy to prohibit any American from getting a job until they had been checked out by an ObamaCare-type database.
The only difference between healthcare.gov and E-Verify is that (1) E-Verify is a much larger and more intrusive database and, (2) the consequences of its failure will be much more cataclysmic. Incidentally, even a maid, nanny, or baby sitter would have to receive government approval if the Senate bill became law.
AN ARMY OF OBAMA-LOBBYISTS
What about the kids? As we saw when they chanted Obama's campaign slogan, "Yes we can," from the Senate gallery, this is the most rabidly political demographic of all. Obama has made sure that these supporters will not be deported.
But as pro-gun senators found out after the defeat of the Manchin-Toomey gun control amendment in April, these rabid “Obamaistas” will make their lives miserable. If all doubt about future deportation is removed, no Republican congressman can expect to ever again enjoy a peaceful town hall meeting (or breakfast at a local diner), but they will find these activists being bused around the country to cower conservative legislators into supporting the entire agenda of the Left -- including gun control!
There is one final benefit for Obama in cowing the House to bring up immigration, and it is perhaps the most important consideration of all: Once the House falls into Obama's "immigration trap," it takes attention away from the collapsing, anti-gun ObamaCare program and changes the national conversation to another issue.
The bottom line: There is a reason why Barack Obama and his "puppet press" have been campaigning for a year to force the Republican House to wade into "immigration reform." It is nothing but benefits for anti-gun politicians, and nothing but pain for pro-gun legislators.
Who would be stupid enough to inflict that level of pain on themselves?
Written by Michael Hammond
Why Gun Owners Should Oppose 8 Million New Anti-gun Voters
The House Republican leadership will soon announce a set of "principles" for immigration reform. Supposedly, if these "principles" are not well-received, the House will shelve the issue for the remainder of the year.
To be blunt: The health of the Second Amendment relies on demolishing these "principles."
Immigration reform will add over 8,000,000 anti-gun voters to the voting rolls. There may be as many as 11.5 million persons illegally in the United States. And, a Pew poll from last year indicated that if illegal immigrants were given citizenship, they would vote for liberal, anti-gun candidates by an 8-to-1 margin.
This is exactly what happened to California -- which was once a Red State. Because of the Simpson-Mazzoli amnesty bill of 1986, the state lurched violently to the left and now can’t pass gun control restrictions fast enough.
If this were to happen at the national level, we would lose the ability to stop massive gun bans and gun registration schemes. And all of this occurs at a time when a Fox poll shows the American people oppose Obama’s immigration policies by a margin of 36% to 54%.
The first reality is this: If the House passes ANYTHING, the Senate will tack on its amnesty bill and send it to conference. And the national conversation will turn off of ObamaCare and onto immigration.
And guess what? Every gun-hating institution which moved heaven and earth to pass gun control will move heaven and earth to get the House to retreat -- if not to a "pathway to citizenship," to a "pathway to legalization."
They will have created the biggest and most motivated Obama-loving movement in the country -- devoted to electing anti-gun politicians and retaining Harry Reid's control of the Senate.
THE BAIT-N-Switch
What will Republicans get, in exchange for creating an army of pro-Obama election warriors?
A secure border? The leadership's "principles" will embrace the myth that Obama can be trusted to "secure the borders" if Republicans create 8,000,000 new Obama voters. But it should tell you something that Democrats have steadfastly refused to condition amnesty on measurable border progress, determined by an objective arbiter.
If the anti-gun ObamaCare law has shown us anything, it is that the law is irrelevant to Barack Obama, when it impedes his political objectives. You would have to be delusional to assume that Obama will do anything to secure the border, once his "quid pro quo" is firmly in hand.
What about E-Verify (also known as "Healthcare.gov for Jobs")?
After the colossal failure of "government checks for guns" ("Brady Checks") and "government checks for insurance" (ObamaCare), one would have to be crazy to prohibit any American from getting a job until they had been checked out by an ObamaCare-type database.
The only difference between healthcare.gov and E-Verify is that (1) E-Verify is a much larger and more intrusive database and, (2) the consequences of its failure will be much more cataclysmic. Incidentally, even a maid, nanny, or baby sitter would have to receive government approval if the Senate bill became law.
AN ARMY OF OBAMA-LOBBYISTS
What about the kids? As we saw when they chanted Obama's campaign slogan, "Yes we can," from the Senate gallery, this is the most rabidly political demographic of all. Obama has made sure that these supporters will not be deported.
But as pro-gun senators found out after the defeat of the Manchin-Toomey gun control amendment in April, these rabid “Obamaistas” will make their lives miserable. If all doubt about future deportation is removed, no Republican congressman can expect to ever again enjoy a peaceful town hall meeting (or breakfast at a local diner), but they will find these activists being bused around the country to cower conservative legislators into supporting the entire agenda of the Left -- including gun control!
There is one final benefit for Obama in cowing the House to bring up immigration, and it is perhaps the most important consideration of all: Once the House falls into Obama's "immigration trap," it takes attention away from the collapsing, anti-gun ObamaCare program and changes the national conversation to another issue.
The bottom line: There is a reason why Barack Obama and his "puppet press" have been campaigning for a year to force the Republican House to wade into "immigration reform." It is nothing but benefits for anti-gun politicians, and nothing but pain for pro-gun legislators.
Who would be stupid enough to inflict that level of pain on themselves?
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John,
Thanks for posting this!!!! I have watched this circus for quite awhile now. People can say what they want about the left. But they have a methodical plan. The only difference between them and honest god fearing people. Is they are the most lowest form of human. They will lye, deceive, cheat at the polls, steal others money, and I personally believe would kill. If they could cover it up, and it would benefit their agenda. Example of their value of American lives ( Brian Terry, and the four Americans in Bengazi ) They might not have pulled the trigger but the whole bunch of them murdered those four Americans as sure as I'm breathing. Once they get our guns. The lives of these four Americans will seem like Childs play. They will beat the citizens into the ground. I hope every American that reads this copies and pastes the above on the internet somewhere. Even if it shows up multiple times. So the sons a bitches know we're watching!!!!!! If the citizens don't wake up we are running out of time. They are not stupid, they have a plan. And will swim in the spittoon to get it done.
Take care, Willie
Thanks for posting this!!!! I have watched this circus for quite awhile now. People can say what they want about the left. But they have a methodical plan. The only difference between them and honest god fearing people. Is they are the most lowest form of human. They will lye, deceive, cheat at the polls, steal others money, and I personally believe would kill. If they could cover it up, and it would benefit their agenda. Example of their value of American lives ( Brian Terry, and the four Americans in Bengazi ) They might not have pulled the trigger but the whole bunch of them murdered those four Americans as sure as I'm breathing. Once they get our guns. The lives of these four Americans will seem like Childs play. They will beat the citizens into the ground. I hope every American that reads this copies and pastes the above on the internet somewhere. Even if it shows up multiple times. So the sons a bitches know we're watching!!!!!! If the citizens don't wake up we are running out of time. They are not stupid, they have a plan. And will swim in the spittoon to get it done.
Take care, Willie
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I like the GAO, but this story is full of holes. First, mexicans overwhelmingly vote conservatively not the other way. Second, this article completely throws out the window the process in which laws are passed. If the senate attaches anything it HAS to go back to the house for reconciliation, then it goes back to the senate. This just seems like partisan fear mongering, I am surprised at the GAO for publishing such propaganda.
"will lye, deceive, cheat at the polls, steal others money, and I personally believe would kill. If they could cover it up, and it would benefit their agenda."
What the Republicans wouldn't?
Finally, it is the American Citizens who ultimately decide what is/isn't constitutional, so the million dollar questions is, if they come for your guns, will YOU give them to them?
"will lye, deceive, cheat at the polls, steal others money, and I personally believe would kill. If they could cover it up, and it would benefit their agenda."
What the Republicans wouldn't?
Finally, it is the American Citizens who ultimately decide what is/isn't constitutional, so the million dollar questions is, if they come for your guns, will YOU give them to them?
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Griz,
I am surprised at the GAO for publishing such propaganda.
Maybe they figure WHEN IN ROME DO AS THE ROMANS. Being politically correct hasn't been working very well. Probably decided not to bring a knife to a gun fight.
Who would be stupid enough to inflict that much pain on themselves??????
Referring to the house. THE LOW LIFES WILL CAVE AND PASS THE CHIT!!!!!
Take care, Willie
I am surprised at the GAO for publishing such propaganda.
Maybe they figure WHEN IN ROME DO AS THE ROMANS. Being politically correct hasn't been working very well. Probably decided not to bring a knife to a gun fight.
Who would be stupid enough to inflict that much pain on themselves??????
Referring to the house. THE LOW LIFES WILL CAVE AND PASS THE CHIT!!!!!
Take care, Willie
Cry to the heavens and let slip the dogs of war. For they must feed on the bones of tyranny. In order for men to have freedom and liberty
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Yah I understand Willie but the author of that article should not stoop to their level. This isn't about being politically correct it's about being honest and NOT LYING by omitting facts and exagerating poll results. That is how propaganda works, I know you know, this is how the news channels drum up support for what their corporate masters want, how politicians drum up their base, etc. Omission of facts to create fear.
This article is pure fear mongering propaganda and it is below the GAO to publish it. If they keeps this up they'll be as bad as the NRA.
This article is pure fear mongering propaganda and it is below the GAO to publish it. If they keeps this up they'll be as bad as the NRA.
Re: Gun control
Grzy,
Come on, join the team and be part of the solution. At least the NRA AND GOA are doing something, with out them the guns would already be gone or is that what you really want? What happen to “I have a pen and a cell phone” any person who would make that kind of statement has no respect for the Constitution. Did they go back to Congress when the closed the roads in the National forest? The same guy who mastermind the closing of those roads as well as other things, John Posdesta, just came back to work for the current administration, to go around congress much in the same way. What GOA wrote and what I posted from GOA is far more accurate than what you wrote. Anyone could see that, just look at the gangs in California and Chicago and guess who is running those states?
That’ ok we are different, I like our spooks(CIA and Black sites) and find them very useful, when used to look out for the interest of the US. I have no problem with our Military bombing enemies of the United States back to the stone age. Drones, well I like them too, especially the ones with Hellfire missiles and I am a big fan of J-Dams and the hell with rules of engagement.
Come on, join the team and be part of the solution. At least the NRA AND GOA are doing something, with out them the guns would already be gone or is that what you really want? What happen to “I have a pen and a cell phone” any person who would make that kind of statement has no respect for the Constitution. Did they go back to Congress when the closed the roads in the National forest? The same guy who mastermind the closing of those roads as well as other things, John Posdesta, just came back to work for the current administration, to go around congress much in the same way. What GOA wrote and what I posted from GOA is far more accurate than what you wrote. Anyone could see that, just look at the gangs in California and Chicago and guess who is running those states?
That’ ok we are different, I like our spooks(CIA and Black sites) and find them very useful, when used to look out for the interest of the US. I have no problem with our Military bombing enemies of the United States back to the stone age. Drones, well I like them too, especially the ones with Hellfire missiles and I am a big fan of J-Dams and the hell with rules of engagement.
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Re: Gun control
fellas sorry I live in cali I believe gun control is using both hands believe me the guys in northern cali almost all think the same way as me jim
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JTG, I really don't know where to start, your post is so full of it and it ends listing a bunch of things that are the antithesis of what this country stands for. Are you for real? NEWS FLASH not everything you read on the internet is real. Do your own reading and research and stop buying into all the hyperbole.
Fallriver, would you vote for, as that guy is wanting, to split CAli into 5 different states? Seems like it would be real difficult, but it would solve a lot of problems for some of the people there.
Fallriver, would you vote for, as that guy is wanting, to split CAli into 5 different states? Seems like it would be real difficult, but it would solve a lot of problems for some of the people there.
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I'm all for splitting the state went to a meeting about the statee of Jefferson only problem is the southern part of the state geeets ther water from up here so what do you think our chances are jim
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Re: Gun control
Griz
Just what would you call all this crap that Obama is running PAST congress by Presidential Order?
truly bypassing our elected officials.
Just what would you call all this crap that Obama is running PAST congress by Presidential Order?
truly bypassing our elected officials.
Re: Gun control
Thursday, 06 February 2014 15:35
Written by Mike Hammond
Will the Next Surgeon General be an Anti-gun Fanatic?
Earlier this week, Senators grilled the latest anti-gun nominee that President Obama has put forward: Dr. Vivek Murthy, who was nominated to be the next Surgeon General of the United States.
Make no mistake about it: Murthy is an anti-gun fanatic. Not only that, as Surgeon General, Murthy could channel huge amounts of taxpayer dollars to "junk science studies" intended to prove that guns should be banned.
During his hearing this week, Murthy alleged that gun control would not be his "priority." But he did not say he would not spend money on something he is already on record as characterizing as a "health issue." (See examples of his intense anti-gun views below.)
Also, don’t forget Justice Sonia Sotomayor, who gave us all of these promises of neutrality and then, when confirmed, couldn't brace gun control fast enough. Senators should not make the same mistake with Murthy.
It appears the Murthy nomination is a central component to the new strategy of Bloomberg-type groups to use junk science produced with taxpayer dollars to discourage gun ownership. See the article that discusses this strategy here.
Murthy is co-founder and president of Doctors for America, an Obama-linked organization which has gone to great lengths to push gun control. Both Murthy’s personal assistant and press secretary are fellows at a Leftist "think tank" supported by financier George Soros.
The Twitter feed of @vivek_murthy leaves no doubt about how eager the Obama nominee is to restrict gun rights.
1. Vivek Murthy @vivek_murthy Apr 21
Signs of progress-we got 20 votes in the senate in favor of gun violence legislation that we wouldn’t have had 1 year ago. Have faith #dr4a
2. Vivek Murthy @vivek_murthy Apr 21
Docs fired up to keep fighting for gun safety laws @Drsforamerica natl conference with @haroldpollack Brina Milikowsky, Eric Fleegler #dr4a
3. Vivek Murthy @vivek_murthy 21 Dec 2012:
NRA press conference disappointing but predictable - blame everything in the world except guns for the Newtown tragedy. #wakeup
After the shooting in Newtown, Murthy’s group authored an open letter to Obama that urged restrictions on gun rights in the name of the medical profession, stating:
It’s time for common sense gun rules like background checks and banning assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, as well as a comprehensive plan to address gun violence including ensuring funding for research and data-collection on gun violence and ensuring that health care providers can ask patients about gun ownership in order to counsel them appropriately about safety measures.
For all the foregoing reasons, Gun Owners of America OPPOSES the nomination of Vivek Murthy to be Surgeon General of the United States and will score Senate votes in favor of his nomination as anti-Second Amendment votes.
Written by Mike Hammond
Will the Next Surgeon General be an Anti-gun Fanatic?
Earlier this week, Senators grilled the latest anti-gun nominee that President Obama has put forward: Dr. Vivek Murthy, who was nominated to be the next Surgeon General of the United States.
Make no mistake about it: Murthy is an anti-gun fanatic. Not only that, as Surgeon General, Murthy could channel huge amounts of taxpayer dollars to "junk science studies" intended to prove that guns should be banned.
During his hearing this week, Murthy alleged that gun control would not be his "priority." But he did not say he would not spend money on something he is already on record as characterizing as a "health issue." (See examples of his intense anti-gun views below.)
Also, don’t forget Justice Sonia Sotomayor, who gave us all of these promises of neutrality and then, when confirmed, couldn't brace gun control fast enough. Senators should not make the same mistake with Murthy.
It appears the Murthy nomination is a central component to the new strategy of Bloomberg-type groups to use junk science produced with taxpayer dollars to discourage gun ownership. See the article that discusses this strategy here.
Murthy is co-founder and president of Doctors for America, an Obama-linked organization which has gone to great lengths to push gun control. Both Murthy’s personal assistant and press secretary are fellows at a Leftist "think tank" supported by financier George Soros.
The Twitter feed of @vivek_murthy leaves no doubt about how eager the Obama nominee is to restrict gun rights.
1. Vivek Murthy @vivek_murthy Apr 21
Signs of progress-we got 20 votes in the senate in favor of gun violence legislation that we wouldn’t have had 1 year ago. Have faith #dr4a
2. Vivek Murthy @vivek_murthy Apr 21
Docs fired up to keep fighting for gun safety laws @Drsforamerica natl conference with @haroldpollack Brina Milikowsky, Eric Fleegler #dr4a
3. Vivek Murthy @vivek_murthy 21 Dec 2012:
NRA press conference disappointing but predictable - blame everything in the world except guns for the Newtown tragedy. #wakeup
After the shooting in Newtown, Murthy’s group authored an open letter to Obama that urged restrictions on gun rights in the name of the medical profession, stating:
It’s time for common sense gun rules like background checks and banning assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, as well as a comprehensive plan to address gun violence including ensuring funding for research and data-collection on gun violence and ensuring that health care providers can ask patients about gun ownership in order to counsel them appropriately about safety measures.
For all the foregoing reasons, Gun Owners of America OPPOSES the nomination of Vivek Murthy to be Surgeon General of the United States and will score Senate votes in favor of his nomination as anti-Second Amendment votes.