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[pegleg]

Weston your question did spark my original response. but I would venture that most of what followed was not based on you or your post. however it was from the experiences that we as hound hunters have dealt with and learned from. I myself think your probably a young officer and have the greatest of intentions. that said on bgh if something impacts hunting any game with hounds its open for discussion. such as mining the site for use against us in any way. or trends in how law enforcement of any kind responds to us. if the defining difference in how your treated by a wild life officer is if theres a dog box in your truck that's a issue. it's not a question of breaking a law its how we are treated as citizens. its also a sport that is being attacked from all sides so if you intend to enjoy it for any length of time you will find the need to stand up for the sport.

[tman308]

not to start a big spin off the original topic but like it was stated earlier if you've got a dog box in the back your truck you will find that you are targeted a lot more than before. I've been hunting for over 30 years I've only been in hounds for the last 10. I was never once pulled over or checked while hunting in the previous 20 years. In the last 10 years it seems like I get pulled over and checked at least two to three times a year. Hound hunters are an easy target. If the elk hunter had noisey dogs in the field that made it easy to find where he was and his client he would be an easy target also. Hound hunters are easy to target and that's why we get the extra attention.

[mulehound]

Undercover officer's do not have to tell anyone that asks if they are law enforcement . Safety issues. Having been in law enforcement for twenty nine years I can tell you we are constitutionally minded. Utah sheriffs sent the first letter to the president in regards to our second amendment rights. I don't like the reach the federal government has been exercising. I have had hounds since I was 18 I am now fifty two, I know how touchy it has become in the hound world with anti's and such. But there are bad apples in our group,just look at the recent case in western Colorado. Wether we like it our not someone is going to be watching for violations. Fifteen years ago a fellow showed up while I had a lion hunter from Pennsylvania, he had a mule and a few hounds. Didn't take a day to figure out who and what he was. He threw in with us and we hunted cats for six days. Never asked him a thing. When he went to leave he told me who he was and why he had been there. It was a BS complaint he was following up on. I had good standing with them never another issue.

[1bludawg]

There's a post on here now that i'm suspicious of. I responded to it once but won't again.Yes,we have bad apples who call themselves houndsmen but so does every other group and organization,even law enforcement.I believe most people know who the crooks are in their own group but(for whatever reason)don't do anything about it .It also seems like every organization has a narc(for the lack of a better word)among them.If these rats don't like you they whisper to the cops that you aren't honest.I've been told that the police have to investigate any complaints.

[muzzy]

mulehound what case u referring to I would like to read up on it?

[mulehound]

Chris loncarich out of Grand Junction
Mulehound

[Liz ODell]

Here's my thought on this subject...how about quit posting comments/stories/photos and videos that don't need to be shared?
There's a novel idea.
I could give two shit's about law enforcement 'patrolling' this site cause you really shouldn't be dumb enough to boast about your 'possibly' illegal activities anywhere, especially the internet and if you are, well, I guess you'll 'get learned' either to quit doing stupid shit or to keep your big mouth shut, one or the other...
What concerns me is stuff getting posted on here that animal rights people can use against us, I hadn't been on here in a few days and just today I read NUMEROUS comments and stories that really don't need to be said, ever.
But as usual what will happen is someone will actually get mad at ME for writing this instead of getting mad at the actual people you should be concerned with (animal rights/anti-hunting) people, and sadly so it goes.
Also let me clarify when I talk about things being posted that the animal rights people might find offensive and use against us it is not really them I am concerned with, they are a lost cause and their religion has clouded their minds to the point of no return BUT they will use these images and stories on the 99% of the population that currently has NO opinion of hound hunting until the first thing they read or see is dead dogs, injured dogs, dogs chewing on live animals, dogs fighting with animals, dogs being trained on caged animals etc., etc., etc.
At that point the 99% form an opinion and that opinion is (somewhat rightfully earned at that point) that we are a bunch of bloodthirsty, animal abusing, shit bags.

And yes there are issues with I guess you could say 'profiling' of dog hunters but just to play the devils advocate here remember that everytime you get caught doing something bad enough and stupid enough to end up in the news or on the wide radar you are continuing to give them a reason to think they should treat us that way.
I hate dealing with the ones that have instant attitude but remember you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar...some people are shit heads and some people may just be having a bad day.

[grouse]

LAW DON'T GO AROUND HERE LAW DOG ! ... Sorry , could'nt help myself .

[pegleg]

Innocent until proven guilty. That is one astoundingly simple concept. It seems to have been forgotten and overlooked by many. I'm for a legal system that is controlled by the laws approved by the people. Where I begin to get upset is when the law doesn't aply equally to the legal system and its representatives as it does the public. When you assume because a individual was cited,remanded to custody, charged is guilty because this has happened to them not because they have been proven guilty there's a problem with your understanding of our legal system and humanity in general. The point is people are fishing the site provide ammunition against our sport. If a young hunter or anyone for that matter came online for help and guidance concerning a tree fighter. Would it be justification to charge them in animal baiting/fighting/ cruelty ? Legally the case could be made however weakly that this crime was commited. Warning people that they must go to this extent in warped thinking to protect themselves should be unnecessary. Sadly its not and the fact that so many hunting forums are closed to the public as protection to its members proves this. This is not a defense for illegal acts only pointing out the depths the oppistion will go.

[mike martell]

Innocent until proven guilty. That is one astoundingly simple concept. It seems to have been forgotten and overlooked by many. I'm for a legal system that is controlled by the laws approved by the people. Where I begin to get upset is when the law doesn't aply equally to the legal system and its representatives as it does the public. When you assume because a individual was cited,remanded to custody, charged is guilty because this has happened to them not because they have been proven guilty there's a problem with your understanding of our legal system and humanity in general. The point is people are fishing the site provide ammunition against our sport. If a young hunter or anyone for that matter came online for help and guidance concerning a tree fighter. Would it be justification to charge them in animal baiting/fighting/ cruelty ? Legally the case could be made however weakly that this crime was commited. Warning people that they must go to this extent in warped thinking to protect themselves should be unnecessary. Sadly its not and the fact that so many hunting forums are closed to the public as protection to its members proves this. This is not a defense for illegal acts only pointing out the depths the oppistion will go.

I have read this post and listened to both sides. Here in Oregon, if you own hounds, you are guilty until proven innocent. The level of guilt is driven by the ratio of liberal Democrat politicians vs. Conservative Republicans by each individual State across the entire Nation....What makes Idaho, Texas and the few other States that still have reasonable hunting and rights the way they are? They are run by a conservative majority for now! Conservatives don't resort to underhanded tactics against the citizens as badly as Democrats....The reason we fight our very own Game Department (Defined as mainly liberal) is because they buy into the notion that 100% of all hound hunters can't be trusted, hunt illegally and this defines their character.......Posting articles or pictures on BGH doesn't impact the 90 some percent of those without an opinion, most of these people voted for Obama and are in a coma and don't have an opinion, because they don't have a brain! Government has conditioned them with a carrot tied to a string dangling from a stick! ....We the people have established a hostile State and National Federal Government that is now the Ocean and BGH is a thimble of water, dumping the thimble of water isn't going to change the Ocean..... This is why we don't have big game hunting with hounds in Oregon and California as well as Washington States are mirrored images, and mainly comprised of what? Liberals....Our game Department is State Government. State Government politicians in Salem dictate policy and buy into the whole concept of Government hunting as supported and lobbied by our very own Game Department, via by back door lobbyist such as the one stationed at our capital that is paid for by the Oregon Hunters Association. They might not think so, but they are now defined as Oregon's largest Anti hound lobby group! Oregon fought and beat the HSUS in 2007, now the opposition is Government.... Once you reach a certain point and x amount of bills become law? You can no longer dispute the facts! Enjoy your hunting while you can, we will never unite, Government knows all to well, and it makes for easier pickings, when one minority hunting group sticks its head up, one at a time? You simply pick it off...You can't get the folks to surrender their guns? You simply watch and see what this hostile administration (Government)does and you will have your answer....They want our guns too people!

[catdog360]

Amen Liz. And Mike I hope to meet and talk tomorrow at the convention.

Mic O'Brien