Sackett Bred Bear Dogs...

[Christy]

WHAT DO YA'LL THINK ABOUT SACKETT BRED BEAR DOGS?

WE'VE GOT A MALE THAT'S PUTTING ABOUT AS MANY NICE BEAR DOGS OUT AS HE IS COON DOGS, AND WE HAVE BEEN RUNNING HIM AT STUD MOSTLY FOR COON HUNTERS, BUT AFTER RUNNING HIM AND SEEING WHAT HES PRODUCING, WE WANT TO OFFER HIM TO BEAR HUNTERS AS WELL.

HE IS REALLY PUTTING OUT SOME NICE YOUNG BEAR HOUNDS. THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE BORN COON DOGS THAT DONT WANT TO FOOL WITH A BEAR, THEN THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE BORN BEAR DOGS. IT SEEMS THAT WITH THEM, THEY SHOW INTEREST IN COONS, BUT SEEM TO GET BORED WITH THEM QUICKLY, THEN WE SUGGEST BEAR, AND IT'S LIKE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT DOG FROM THEN ON. AND THERE ARE OF COURSE SOME THAT DO BOTH.

RIGHT NOW, HE'S GOT 70 PUPS, AND I KNOW OF ABOUT 20+ AND HAVE PICTURES OF QUITE A FEW THAT ARE USED ON BEAR.

HE HIMSELF, IS A COON DOG. HE WILL STRIKE A BEAR OUT OF A TRUCK, OR OFF THE RIG, AND BARK A FEW BARKS ON A BEAR, BUT THEN HE COMES BACK. IT'S JUST NOT HIS CUP OF TEA. HE WAS TRAINED OFF A BOAT ON THE COAST OF VA, SO HE HAS GOT AN INCREDIBLE NOSE ON HIM. HE HAS STRUCK SEVERAL, SEVERAL BEAR TRACKS BUT LIKE I SAID, HE WONT STAY ON THEM.


JUST WAS WONDERING WHAT THE INPUT ON HIM MIGHT BE AS FAR AS RUNNING HIM AT STUD FOR BOTH WOULD BE.

HERE IS A PIC OR TWO AND PEDIGREE.









---------------GRNTCH'PR'Rock River Sackett
----------CH GRNTCH'PR'Rock River Sackett Jr.
---------------GRNTCH'PR'Skean’s Dolly
-----GRCH NTCH'PR'Tar Heel Nitro
---------------GRNTCH'PR'Yadkin Tar Rattler
----------NTCH'PR' Maple Ridge Rudy
---------------GRCH'PR'Pearson’s Miss Lipper
GRCH NTCH'PR'RB'S ROCK RIVER SID-DOB 10-17-01
---------------CH GRNTCH'PR'Rock River Sackett Jr.
----------GRCH GRNTCH'PR'Rock River Frank
---------------'PR'Rock River Sal
-----CH GRNTCH'PR' Roanoke River Rachel
---------------NTCH'PR'Price's Pine Creek KC
----------NTCH GRCH'PR'Linkous' White Pine Ridge Belle
---------------GRCH'PR' Price's Pine Creek Misty

[cecil j.]

WHAT DO YA'LL THINK ABOUT SACKETT BRED BEAR DOGS?

WE'VE GOT A MALE THAT'S PUTTING ABOUT AS MANY NICE BEAR DOGS OUT AS HE IS COON DOGS, AND WE HAVE BEEN RUNNING HIM AT STUD MOSTLY FOR COON HUNTERS, BUT AFTER RUNNING HIM AND SEEING WHAT HES PRODUCING, WE WANT TO OFFER HIM TO BEAR HUNTERS AS WELL.

HE IS REALLY PUTTING OUT SOME NICE YOUNG BEAR HOUNDS. THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE BORN COON DOGS THAT DONT WANT TO FOOL WITH A BEAR, THEN THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE BORN BEAR DOGS. IT SEEMS THAT WITH THEM, THEY SHOW INTEREST IN COONS, BUT SEEM TO GET BORED WITH THEM QUICKLY, THEN WE SUGGEST BEAR, AND IT'S LIKE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT DOG FROM THEN ON. AND THERE ARE OF COURSE SOME THAT DO BOTH.

RIGHT NOW, HE'S GOT 70 PUPS, AND I KNOW OF ABOUT 20+ AND HAVE PICTURES OF QUITE A FEW THAT ARE USED ON BEAR.

HE HIMSELF, IS A COON DOG. HE WILL STRIKE A BEAR OUT OF A TRUCK, OR OFF THE RIG, AND BARK A FEW BARKS ON A BEAR, BUT THEN HE COMES BACK. IT'S JUST NOT HIS CUP OF TEA. HE WAS TRAINED OFF A BOAT ON THE COAST OF VA, SO HE HAS GOT AN INCREDIBLE NOSE ON HIM. HE HAS STRUCK SEVERAL, SEVERAL BEAR TRACKS BUT LIKE I SAID, HE WONT STAY ON THEM.


JUST WAS WONDERING WHAT THE INPUT ON HIM MIGHT BE AS FAR AS RUNNING HIM AT STUD FOR BOTH WOULD BE.

HERE IS A PIC OR TWO AND PEDIGREE.









---------------GRNTCH'PR'Rock River Sackett
----------CH GRNTCH'PR'Rock River Sackett Jr.
---------------GRNTCH'PR'Skean’s Dolly
-----GRCH NTCH'PR'Tar Heel Nitro
---------------GRNTCH'PR'Yadkin Tar Rattler
----------NTCH'PR' Maple Ridge Rudy
---------------GRCH'PR'Pearson’s Miss Lipper
GRCH NTCH'PR'RB'S ROCK RIVER SID-DOB 10-17-01
---------------CH GRNTCH'PR'Rock River Sackett Jr.
----------GRCH GRNTCH'PR'Rock River Frank
---------------'PR'Rock River Sal
-----CH GRNTCH'PR' Roanoke River Rachel
---------------NTCH'PR'Price's Pine Creek KC
----------NTCH GRCH'PR'Linkous' White Pine Ridge Belle
---------------GRCH'PR' Price's Pine Creek Misty

I remember when the Sackett Jr. dog won the Supper Stakes sr. div. Faturity hunt at Arurra Ky. and was talken tooRonnie Bone and Gene Driggers about it that next morning at the cafe when alot of the constestants came in for a victory lap breakfast. Ross Bagwell & Chester Black,Wayne Jackson and Jaremy Cook and me was sitten at the big long table and that dog was the topic for the hour !
They toutted him too win he open World Hunt the following month at Arurra also and as a just turned 3 yr. old.The Sackett Jr. line all was pretty much independent track & tree up calabered and showed real live coon`s when ya looked over the tree .But they was huge booming big bawll mouthed and they lite-out when cast and ya would hear em about 1/2 too 2/3 a mile when they would strike/ they went deep too lok for game and because thats how they was trained I guess ?
There is no reason why they couldn`t make a bear dog, if its in em its in em, if not/ it`s not .


jack Pepper

[Houndhead]

I would never breed to a dog that won't run bear if I was looking for bear dogs.It is hard enough to get good dogs out of bear dogs.Why breed to a cull?

[cecil j.]

I would never breed to a dog that won't run bear if I was looking for bear dogs.It is hard enough to get good dogs out of bear dogs.Why breed to a cull?

I believe the folks said the sdtud dog was getting pups in some bear hunters hands an hey was makeing good on bear/ the others was not run on bear at all they was being run on coon & probably PKC SSF hunt regestered for pup hunt for the first 3 yrs of their lives so there is lots of money involved as Sackett line wins alot of baby,jr. and sr. divissions moneys and they cant win it runnen bear,lion,bobcat,/ just coon ! If ya don`t work em on biggame how da you know they wont workouit on big game ? What I ment in the first post on this was simply that and not sayen in no way some don`t make iton bear/ hell I havent a clue but I do know this : Johnsons Banjo,MerchantsBanjo,Spring King Rock,Nances old Topper,Finnley River Chief,Indianna Boone Boy,Stanfields Sailor,Houses Liepper,Houses Queen was not run on bear when the stood stud by their owners as breeders and neither was Nances White Cloud King the first walker stud dog regestered walker breed ! Today over time you could go back too them dogs in allmost every instance too find bear hunters who made a line from offspring that goes back to one or more of em directly over time.

I haven`t tryed to lead ya to think other wise now and if so that is now corrected here so as I`m flat out sayen that I didn`t in anyway mean too soil there good hounds reputation/ NO SIR !

[Mike Leonard]

Here is a new dog at my place who has a lot of Sackett breeding behind him as well.This Grand Night Champion is going to get his chance to see if he likes bears and lions, and then I will have a better idea on big game. Our man Spanky has a lot of this blood in his big game dogs and he is sold on them as are many others out west.

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[cecil j.]

Here is a new dog at my place who has a lot of Sackett breeding behind him as well.This Grand Night Champion is going to get his chance to see if he likes bears and lions, and then I will have a better idea on big game. Our man Spanky has a lot of this blood in his big game dogs and he is sold on them as are many others out west.

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Mike Sackett is a true reproduce and so was sackett jr. and they should make what ever any good big gamepack is doing for him in the woods on big game/ trainers who know the training game andhunt hard are the biggest stamp of approvel too a line that makes or brakes it/ right ?
As for HardWood Bozo, shoot he was a super premier reproducer and most of his offspring carryed iton too like Hardwood Swamp, Hardwood Hennry! I hunted with ole Hennry and Swamp no he was allready desiest when I moved back too Tn. were I was origionall born and my dads side of thefamily from. You can go too Arurra Ky and too Clinton Kyand locate most all the major walker breeders corse ole Hennry went too Ind. I believe and yet his handle huntedhim for the owner all overin the hunts. Keith Melody hunted and had handles with his line of Hardwood hounds allover too and youd see him at thebigg hunts. When ya go too the jr./sr supper stackes annually week of compitions there must be 3000 or more people (hunters) their along the row in side and outside the building and its a mecca a hunters hub for houndmen from all overtheUSA that week in Sept. and the very next month of Oct. same place the open PKC WorldHunt and even more people their each day of that week. Hundreeds apon hundreds of dogs are enteredand hunted even reentrys in the open world hunt/ first pace is over the price of a Dodge 4x4 1500 serries new truck/just alone too the winner last timeI was there in 04 !Alot of hunters don`t go too he big hunts never seen em and boy are they missing a life time experience and eye opening change of thinkings and its awesome.

[Melanie Hampton]

I have a female that has some Sackett in her That I got back east, from people who coon hunt... But.. her sire and dam were also consistant in treeing bobcat also.. She wants to be a big game dog like you wouldn't believe.. Absolute natural strike dog, gritty and has more get up and HUNT in her.. Not a real big female.. 50lbs.. She keeps up with the rest of the pack.. And has the closest hunting style to my local bred for big game hounds that I have been able to find....And what surprised me the most was her cold nose.. She has a wicked cold nose...

I would probably try another one... Crossed on the right dogs...

[Redwood Coonhounds]

I have come around to like the Sackett dogs a little better than I once did. I still think they make better coon dogs than anything else. I'd say they would make good Cat dogs as they seem to pack a good nose and a steady track style, but I wouldn't know one thing about Cat hunting. They do make dogs that will catch bear, but I've yet to see one I'd call a true beardog. If I've ever even seen a true beardog.

I think the biggest downfall to Sackett dogs is there speed. Dogs heavily bred on Sackett seem to be big, big boned, and just lack that physical speed and endurance. Even those that are not big, still just don't seem to be able to move like other dogs there size. Most of them don't have the drifting track style I like as well. It seems they are good track dogs, but they all run the same way -- with their head up, but still a little too tied to the track. When things really heat up, and your on a running bear that needs a dog with top speed that can flat bring the pressure and keep it up for a long time, I find the Sackett dogs just don't have it like some of the other lines do.

Now of course they are still Walkers and most of them are still faster than other lines, or some of the other breeds, but there are a few lines that I look to if you want all out track stars. I would really like to Cross something heavy Sackett into a few lines to see what would result.


Bozo dogs seem to carry the track style I like, with the speed. Crossed with Lipper I like the results; looks (build), mouth, tree style and speed -- with track style, independence, brians, and nose from Bozo. My Crash dog was a Grandson of Hardwood Henry that Cecil was talking about, and a gyp from Keith Meadley. And he will always be the type of dog I strive to own. But I have had good luck with the heavy Lipper stuff as well. I do think Bozo adds in a little more brains to the mix though.



As someone said earlier though Christy, the big game worlds a LOT different than the Coonhound world. I wouldn't push him too hard on the big gamers as most don't believe in breeding anything but Best-to-the-Best. Not saying Sid doesn't produce good bear dogs. I'm sure he does, but most people want a top bear dog out of a top bear dog. I would just keep it out there he is known to throw good big game dogs, and leave it at that.

[dgarrett]

I have a female outa Tar Heel Nitro x Hannah that Tony has. As far as im conserned she was born a natural coondog. I dont have experience in bear hunting but she hunts lions and bobcats just as well. She has had one litter of pups and her pups mostly went to big game hunters and they seem to be doing a good job for them on bear /lion/coon Sounds to me like Sid just doesnt know its ok to run bear. If you could run him with a proven pack of bear dogs a few times so he knows hes got the green light to run them he would probably turn right over and run them. There are a lot of biggame dogs with lipper in there background. jmo dgarrett

[Christy]

I have a female outa Tar Heel Nitro x Hannah that Tony has. As far as im conserned she was born a natural coondog. I dont have experience in bear hunting but she hunts lions and bobcats just as well. She has had one litter of pups and her pups mostly went to big game hunters and they seem to be doing a good job for them on bear /lion/coon Sounds to me like Sid just doesnt know its ok to run bear. If you could run him with a proven pack of bear dogs a few times so he knows hes got the green light to run them he would probably turn right over and run them. There are a lot of biggame dogs with lipper in there background. jmo dgarrett

LOL. Well, as long as he trees coons like he does, we will keep letting him think it's NOT OK to run them! lol.

He's ungodly fast on track. He's caught probably 15 coons on the ground in the 3 years we've had him. His latest was about a month or so ago. One thing is for sure, you can tell when he's looking at it!

[Dan Edwards]

I would never breed to a dog that won't run bear if I was looking for bear dogs.It is hard enough to get good dogs out of bear dogs.Why breed to a cull?

I cant believe that more folks aint sayin this exact thing.

Absolutely and I mean absolutely nothing against the dogs as a coon dog though at all but a bear dog "STUD" that wont run a bear. Lets get real. Its almost comical.

[Melanie Hampton]

I don't really think people have said they would breed to him.. Just giving their experience with Sackett dogs..

[Dan Edwards]

I don't really think people have said they would breed to him.. Just giving their experience with Sackett dogs..

I agree but I thought the thread was about the idea of using a dog that wont run bear as a stud dog for bear dogs.

[Redwood Coonhounds]

I don't see a problem with her advertising him as a stud dog. As long as he throws dogs with drive and natural ability. They have a chance at becoming anything with the right training. Just as some of the biggest culls can come out of the two best dogs you've ever seen.

I think there are people that know lines, and Sid might be exactly what they are looking for. I myself love the history of lines, pedigrees, and genetics. But when it all comes down to it, I bred my female to a bear dog, the best I knew of, out of two of the best. There are a ton of dogs out here that have a pedigree that would make most drool. They are nice dogs. But, the fact is I just didn't know what would come out of it. So I went and bred to the scarred up, grey face, senile old dog that was born and will die in my Uncles backyard. Just like the last 3 generations behind him.


Now the fastest dog I have ever seen, never caught a coon on the ground in his life. But one of the slowest dogs I knew caught them just about every time out. To me that isn't a very good indicator of how fast a dog is.

[Dan Edwards]

I take it that the fastest dog you ever seen must not have ever been coon huntin in its life then cause fast track dogs catch coon on the ground like it was meant to be. Matter of fact, fast track dogs whether open or still mouth catch just about everything they run on the ground occasionally. I know of a coyote hound right now that they absolutely have to put a muzzle on him if somebody wants to run him in a pen cause he catches coyotes so fast that it would make your head spin. That being said, pen coyotes aint outside coyotes either.

This is gettin off on a tangent. If I was a bear hunter I would never breed to a dog that was not a bear dog no matter if Jesus (the dog) himself was in the pedigree somewhere.