idea on wolves

[Sillvery]

So I've read a lot of people on here losing dogs to wolves, what about getting a kangal, cao ( Central Asian ovcharka) , co ( Caucasian ovcharka) they are perfectly capable of taking wolves 1v1 and a wolf like all predators is not looking for an even fight. Now I know those animals aren't cheap but if a wolf knows your pack has two wolf killers he isn't likely to attack.

[jcutler]

The problem is it's 7 wolves not 1.

[Sillvery]

Still with at least two cao's or kangals I don't think they would risk the injury. Kinda like how grizzlys are perfectly capable of killing bull moose but would rather have the cow or calf.

[Unreal_tk]

In my opinion. A guard dog would be in effective. One reason is just keeping this dog with pack much less when it gets split up. Then you have the numbers factor. I figure singles usually won't mess with a hunting pack but a pack of wolves is usually the problem.

Now if you were to target them just like we do tree game then I think you could be very successful with some research and right gear and dogs. Once again this is my opinion.

[Sillvery]

They aren't guard dogs so to say they are livestock guardians. If you got them trained where your other dogs were what they believe to be their livestock. They would run as hard as they could to keep up with them and kangals and caos are know for pretty decent stamina.

[bearsnva]

But what happens when they think your hounds are their livestock (property) and someone packs their dogs to them or other dogs hear them treed and go into the tree? Seems this could cause a very ugly situation.

[Sillvery]

Oh I don't know about being able to hunt with other people or their dogs, the dogs I'm talking about have been bred for a thousand years to be very very protective. So even other people they aren't used to might be a problem.

[Idaho_B&T]

I appreciate your thought, that is for sure. The biggest problem I have experienced with wolves, however, is dogs on tree or a race where the dogs gets spread out. A long bear chase is where the problems come in. Also, like previously mentioned, a lone wolf is not the problem. It is 5-7 that are the problem. Plus, there is no way a kangal or cao could keep up with a pack of seasoned hounds on a long bear run. I have actually considered using a couple Rhodesian ridgebacks in my pack, and may try it someday. I have heard of them being used. However, still the smartest way to minimize risk is know your area, be smart about your release and stick with your dogs the best you can.

[mondomuttruner]

How long are you guys going to continue to try and put a bandage on the problem, the only long term solution is to kill the virus. It's your country, figure it out..

[mike martell]

How long are you guys going to continue to try and put a bandage on the problem, the only long term solution is to kill the virus. It's your country, figure it out..

I went elk hunting in N.E. Oregon a few weeks ago and spent several days prior on the upper Imnaha River drainage that is now full of wolves, all the ranchers do is ride herd on the cattle trying to minimize their loss....Kill em all, our new ODFW interim Deputy Director was behind the wolf in Oregon and is anti hounds! This is the direct results of GOVERNMENT....Oregon is the latest State devastated by the wolf and in many regions a guy needs to be aware and prepared to defend your hounds at all cost.

I watched a wolf in B.C. come in on a single hound trailing a spring bear. No words can describe when the hunter becomes the hunted, fortunately we spotted the wolf and stayed up on the hound, it was a good outcome for the dog that could have ended in disaster!...Pay attention to the long term Canadian houndsmen and how they deal with wolves. These guys have dealt with the wolf for an entire lifetime of hound hunting.

When your dogs get strung out you are vulnerable. Adding non tree hounds like stated will become the victim because they won't run out with the hounds. A pack should be built around running together and catching together in real track dog style, this ups your odds of treeing your intended quarry and serves to keep your hounds alive in a wolf attack...Hounds bred for your listening pleasure instead of Catching, best be hunted in areas with no wolves because they attract wolves like magnets...Two of the premier predator hunters in Canada claim to never have lost a hound to wolves when they run eight or more hounds. These guys wrote the book on lion hunting over many decades of hunting and they are now three generations of houndsmen.

Safe to say B.C. has more wolves than any of the lower 48 States. Why would you turn down when you are sure you have wolves in a grid? Sometimes you just don't know and it happens, so why not be prepared? A few years back we turned down on a lynx and within minutes the wolves were howling right behind us, they could have been in the same direction the hounds were heading just as easily!.....All you can do is get to your hounds as soon as possible. Garmin makes the task easier and I suspect the only reason guys are still able to hunt in heavy wolf country is the accuracy of our equipment. Kill em all!

[Sillvery]

I think a well bred conditioned kangal or other dog could keep up, but like y'all said if there are 8 wolves and only 2 kangals or other lgd it wouldn't matter. And the dogs getting split up is the other problem. Now that you say it the lone dog would be the one that got into trouble. I was just spitballing ideas. We don't have wolves down here ( yet) but we have some notes that'll make your small dogs, chickens, fawns, etc disappear in the blink of an eye. Also they will lure larger dogs with a lone scout type deal. Then ambush them. Wolves are another beast and I hope I never have to deal with them especially not the giants like up there. But sss if I do.

[Sillvery]

Maybe start work on making a fainting dog (like the goats) jk are there any methods of population control for the wolves up there or are they just off limits? Like the previous poster mentioned if you could make the wolves associate hounds running a trail with them as the target quarry they wouldn't be as apt to hunt the dogs, because they would never know if you are hunting cat, bear, coon them, etc. Problem right now from the way I take it is unless you live in Wisconsin wolf hunting with dogs is off limits. A wolf never ceases to amaze me with their brains. They know hunting dogs are an easy meal for them. Like ringing the dinner bells. Are you allowed to kill them if you catch them attacking your dogs?

[mondomuttruner]

We used to have wolves going into sections where they could hear the dogs, though we never had any issues. In a short amount of time after the hunter became the hunted they tend to go the opposite direction when hounds are heard. Just the other day on the last day of season some buddies released on 5 going into a section and in minutes they were scattering across roads going out of the section. Their smart animals, a hound doesn't seem as tasty when associated with a bang. I realize you guys are working with big country but when an opportunity arises in a workable chunk, an accidental chase could bring great dividends for the future.