Sackett Bred Bear Dogs...

[cecil j.]

Your right the fastest dog wasn't much of a coon dog. I think catching a coon on the ground has more to do with the situation and a dog track style, and once they do it I think then it becomes more of a skill. Coon's are not the fastest things on four legs, to compare catching a coon to running a bear, is almost as you said before, comical. But two of the most annoyingly cold nosed track straddlers I ever knew caught a lot of coons on the ground, they were not fast even by coondog standards.

I think that if someone really knows there stuff, does the homework, and makes the right cross, that they could absolutely get good bear dogs by breeding to a dog like Sid. Anyone who says different is pretty hard headed. But in a perfect world, all top big game dogs would be out of top big game dogs, and they would reproduce top big game dogs. But we all know it isn't so.

Casandra, have ya ever run a ridge runner coon out of elk creek Caz., or in the rice fields on thr Delavan Wild Life Refuage ? The arn`t like a regular coon, and their smaller and uggley and sort of a brown tinge too their coat over regular coon colors and markings/ they have a lott different head and different feet shaped but retain didigal fingers etc. they can run doors-out frace in front of hounds for a good long race/ like a bobcat ! There arn`t many of emin the Sacramento Valley, but their are a few of em just befor ya get too elk creek on the ridges .

jack









I just think there won't be a huge interest in breeding to a dog that does not run bear. No one I know of would breed a top beardog female to a coondog. Getting a pup out of him is a different story. I think breeding him to another top coondog and having pups go to big game hunters is a more likely senerio.

[onalimb]

What do Ya'll think about sackett bred bear dogs?

Never mind, I don't care what you think!!!


I just wanted to see my dogs name in print!

ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dan Edwards]

What do Ya'll think about sackett bred bear dogs?

Never mind, I don't care what you think!!!


I just wanted to see my dogs name in print!

ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

You may be onto something.

[Redwood Coonhounds]

Here is the pedigree for 3 dogs' I know of that are used for bear. Not saying they are bear dogs. Just used on bear. The main complaint is they are too big, and not fast enough. They don't lack drive, they are just heavy dogs. Cold nosed and bawl mouthed.

-------------------------------------- GRNITECH 'PR' ROCK RIVER SACKETT JR.
---------------------- GRNITECH 'PR' ROCK RIVER TUCK
-------------------------------------- 'PR' ROCK RIVER SAL
---------- NITECH 'PR' IRONJAW MOOSE
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---------------------- 'PR' SANDERS DEEP RIVER PATTY
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'PR' IRONJAW CLYDE
-------------------------------------- GRNITECH 'PR' ROCK RIVER SACKETT JR.
---------------------- GRNITECH 'PR' ROCK RIVER TUCK
-------------------------------------- 'PR' ROCK RIVER SAL
---------- 'PR' KEEFERS HIGH HOPE
--------------------------------------
---------------------- 'PR' BEAR RIVER POLLY
--------------------------------------


-------------------------------------- GRNITECH 'PR' ROCK RIVER SACKETT JR
---------------------- GRNITECH GRCH 'PR' SACKETT JR. SON
-------------------------------------- NITECH 'PR' MILLER'S BAWLIN BECKY
---------- GRNITECH 'PR' SON'S ROCK RIVER CORD
--------------------------------------GRNITECH 'PR' RASEN RIVER STYLISH JACK
---------------------- 'PR' MARSH HARD KNOCKING FIRECRACKER
-------------------------------------- 'PR' BLAKE'S DIRT
'PR' HALE'S GRANNY-NAN
-------------------------------------- GRNITECH 'PR' ROCK RIVER SACKETT JR.
---------------------- GRNITECH 'PR' ROCK RIVER TUCK
-------------------------------------- 'PR' ROCK RIVER SAL
---------- 'PR' ROCK RIVER JESSI
-------------------------------------- GRNITECH 'PR' MERCHANT'S BAWLING BANJO
---------------------- 'GRNITECH 'PR' GIBBS' BAWLING BANJO WENDY
-------------------------------------- 'PR' GIBBS' WANDERING WENDY


This is the pedigree of my female. This cross was made twice. One thing they all have is some speed. Tree dogs too.

-------------------------------------- NITECH 'PR' FLATROCK COMA (Bozo grandson)
---------------------- GRNITECH 'PR' SCHULTZ' STYLISH COMA
-------------------------------------- NITECH 'PR' STYLISH DOLLY (Out of Bozo)
---------- 'PR' MC CLOUD RIVER DRIVER (Bear dog)
--------------------------------------GRNITECH 'PR' WAGERS' STYLISH LIPPER (Out of Lipper)
---------------------- 'PR' STYLISH LIPPERS GLORY
-------------------------------------- 'PR' TEXAS COUNTY PATTY
CH 'PR' REDWOOD'S ALL NIGHT ASPEN
-------------------------------------- NITECH 'PR' MINKLER'S KANSAS AMOS (River Bend Flag Grandson)
---------------------- 'PR' MC CLOUD RIVER CRANK (Bear Dog)
-------------------------------------- 'PR' MC KISSICK CREEK KELEY (Out of Lipper)
---------- 'PR' MC CLOUD RIVER PENNY (Bear Dog)
-------------------------------------- CH GRNITECH 'PR' WAGERS' STYLISH LIPPER (Out of Lipper)
---------------------- 'PR' MC CLOUD RIVER SALLY (Bear Dog)
-------------------------------------- CH 'PR' OWEN'S SOUTHERN LADY


Now those two pedigree's are going to be crossed. The Sackett female will be bred to my female's brother. I am very curious to see what becomes of it. Should be beautiful red headed blanket backed bawl mouthed dogs, that much I know.

[Christy]

TUCK AND SID'S GRANDFATHER WERE LITTERMATES.

THAT'S THE ONLY SIMILARITY I SEE.

[Redwood Coonhounds]

Sid really isn't that heavy Sackett bred at all. He's outcrossed on both sides. A lot of his triats could not even be coming from the Sackett line. The title is Sackett bred bear dogs, so I posted it just for reference. That pedigree above is about as much Sackett as you will see in a pedigree, especially in a bear dog. Well, I guess JR. could have been the grandpa one more time on the mother's mother's side, LOL. But in my opinion it was probably too close of a breeding and intensified the "slow" gene. But I have seen others not as heavy bred that are slow. I think though the litter's freak size (80+lbs) had something to do with all the "linebreeding." Though it's not uncommon in the Sackett line at all.

[Travis Stirek]

Christy I personally like the sackett bred dogs on bear but I don't think it is nescesserly coming from old sackett or jr but back to the yadkin river jeff blood that ran in old sacketts blood.Some people argue its from his Dohoneys blood but I and alot of my friends have seen too many TOP beardogs that all have Yadkin River Jeff as a common denominator.You being were you are know that to generalize the sackett dogs as being big is crazy.Cassandra that wasn't meant to piss you off but I do beg to differ.I have been around ALOT of Sackett bred dogs and I like them because as a majority they are the tighter made more athletic type dogs.In fact we have bred two very heavy Sackett bred females to Rock this past month(one from Washington and one from Michigan) and both were what I would call typical size for that bloodline,40-45 lb females.My experience with the males that are heavy bred they tend to be 50-60 lb.males.One thing about that blood as far as bear dogs they are tough and can take the day in and day out hunting.If you'll cross him on some Lipper or Flag blood I think the bear hunters will be extremely happy.The issue of whether he himself is a beardog or not is a personal preference,some will some won't.LOL Look at how many COON bred beardogs are out there,Nailor and Bozo to name two walkers and you could name some from every breed,that their sires and dams and grand sires and grand dams etc.... never saw a bear lion or bobcat.If its working for you and guys are happy with it you really don't need to get justified on here just keep plugging away.

[cecil j.]

Sid really isn't that heavy Sackett bred at all. He's outcrossed on both sides. A lot of his triats could not even be coming from the Sackett line. The title is Sackett bred bear dogs, so I posted it just for reference. That pedigree above is about as much Sackett as you will see in a pedigree, especially in a bear dog. Well, I guess JR. could have been the grandpa one more time on the mother's mother's side, LOL. But in my opinion it was probably too close of a breeding and intensified the "slow" gene. But I have seen others not as heavy bred that are slow. I think though the litter's freak size (80+lbs) had something to do with all the "linebreeding." Though it's not uncommon in the Sackett line at all.

I told in a post about a test tube offspring out ofLeeper back in 2003-4 hunting with tha 11 month old humunguess pup. He did good on the coon and me tooed and treedup with my black dog while old Gougger (fm) left the tree and Jimmy Smiths walker left the tree up . I said also we next had latch too strike a bear and the clock ran out hunt over and later I hurd em all treed up on it down in a ruff little holler an went down too em and it come out and they bayed and moved around all over,the old Gougers handler/owner call his bitch with a horn and she left for the truck . The 3 remaing dogs stayed with it and treed the bear and it was a hot muggy summers night and they was choked down from it too ! The 11 month old pup stayed right in there too and was at the tree up and he showd though a very very extra leggy hound and extreamly long bodyed also/ he had the stuff/ but he was direct out of Leeper ! I havent seen a Sacketts Jr. offspring that big less it had Leeper in it . What am I saying here/ just only what I observed in the woods and I`ve seen a few Sackett Jr dogs in the woods too.

[Travis Stirek]

The 11 month old pup stayed right in there too and was at the tree up and he showd though a very very extra leggy hound and extreamly long bodyed also/ he had the stuff/ but he was direct out of Leeper ! I havent seen a Sacketts Jr. offspring that big less it had Leeper in it . What am I saying here/ just only what I observed in the woods and I`ve seen a few Sackett Jr dogs in the woods too.

Holy sh&t cecil I finally agree with you on something.LOL I did forget to mention that the Lipper blood can cause some size issues but they make up for it in ass kickin get with it.LOL Oh and mouths that stud dog owners dream of LOL

[Smiley]

One of the fastest track dogs I have seen had a lot of sacket in him . There were not many dogs that could keep with him when he took the track.

[Redwood Coonhounds]

I never said that all of them were huge and all were slow. But the majority I have hunted with have seemed to have that common link. Most of them were very tight bred. And most were related. The males I have seen weigh anywhere from 75-90lbs. That is a big dog. A few of the females were 60-75lbs. I have seen a few averaged sized, 55lbs, but one of them was still very slow. But I do believe his problem was that he didn't want to be fast. He left a bad taste in my mouth all together.


Recently got rid of a Cord X Tell Grandson. 35lbs at 6 months old. He was never going to be big. I heard that the father to him is one fast dog. Never hunted with him. But he is a smaller 55-60lb dog and the mother of the pup was about 50lbs.


I just stated what I have noticed. I wasn't saying anything bad, and I know there are so many from the line that I haven't seen.


I know Lipper seems to carry some size as well. They seem to be long and leggy though, compared to square and heavy boned. My female is 23 1/2 inches at the shoulder and 58lbs. She is a little too lanky for me. Long in the back as well. Not sure where it came from but a lot of them from both crosses have high-pitched squally-chop mouths. Then others have big all-bawl mouths, which I suspected came from Coma. I know a lot of all chop mouths come from Lipper, but still haven't pin pointed the "squeaky" mouth. They are loud. Just sound like coyotes.

[cecil j.]

One of the fastest track dogs I have seen had a lot of sacket in him . There were not many dogs that could keep with him when he took the track.

It once was said Rat Attack was the best reproducer Walker coon dog ever lived as a stud dog and now their sayen Sackett Jr. may surpass ole Rat !? Boye don`t shoot the messenger cause its just whats proveing out in the coon dog world for pkc & ukc point hunt dogs! Strange how both as sires have reproduced bear dogs,cat dogs of note too ?! Comma line is awesone and so is Hardwood Bozzo,Swamp,Hennry lines ! I`m not as high on the Tarr Heall line but they can and do get right inthere for their fair share of note accrost the board/ but listen it all goes back too Bozo too being a pretty big key for most major top teer lines of todays Walkers in their past . Again I`m just the messenger and no more than that.

[Redwood Coonhounds]

I do believe Rat was out of Sackett Jr. He may have beat him as a reproducer by sheer numbers, but I don't for one minute believe the quality of pups is anywhere near the same as what Sackett Jr produced. Sackett also wasn't bred near as much as his son. In my opinion Rat Attack took all the nose out his pups completely, and with such a huge impact on the breed, he took it out of the breed as well. He does not throw the cold nose from the Sackett side. I have seen quite a few Rat pups out this way (he was a hot ticket even out here). All look just like him, and have no nose. I don't know what happened. With his pedigree I would have thought differently, he is bred very nice. But most of the females he was crossed to that I seen were heavy Stylish Harry bred, and that too is where the Walkers loose thier nose.

[cecil j.]

I do believe Rat was out of Sackett Jr. He may have beat him as a reproducer by sheer numbers, but I don't for one minute believe the quality of pups is anywhere near the same as what Sackett Jr produced. Sackett also wasn't bred near as much as his son. In my opinion Rat Attack took all the nose out his pups completely, and with such a huge impact on the breed, he took it out of the breed as well. He does not throw the cold nose from the Sackett side. I have seen quite a few Rat pups out this way (he was a hot ticket even out here). All look just like him, and have no nose. I don't know what happened. With his pedigree I would have thought differently, he is bred very nice. But most of the females he was crossed to that I seen were heavy Stylish Harry bred, and that too is where the Walkers loose thier nose.

Yep aslot of his pups was ideeed warm nosed but he wasbred onto every coseavable line,crosses of linesand he was a tripple doubled up coded profile hound/ too note a stud dog that will leave his mark for many








genorations. Same with Sackett Jr. and he is todays pilld-on too breding everything and he is going to surpass ole Rat. But not all Rats offspring of much not was hot nosed and you can find enoughf that show if bred on the right lines combined in agyp/then crossed on too ole rat ya got something.
Personall and by all the major walker leaders of the breed it is their selection after breeding recrossing seen 100`s of pups annuall that carry old Bozzo / in his day he was the KING as a stud dog . If youget 12 genoration peddagree and down too 6 peddagree pr bred UKC papers on todays PKC & UKC hounds they go back too include old Bozzo !
I`ve talked too Keith and too many other breeders and handlers at the big Arurra events every yr and it is in stone accrost the board/ all lines comeing back too Bozzo if PR BRED UKC papers was rightfully on any good stud dog and brood bitch. There can be an exception like Old James Merchant, old Nance bloodlines kept alive by line breeding and all, but they are the onlyest acceptions and they have their placetoo. Look back in the 12 genoration peddgree of Tarr Heal Rattler and Tarr Heal Nailor/ what apears ?

Could be all of em goes back again too the foundations behind ole Bozzo and the come on newer in time hounds .The Nailor line is big,long and rawboned and very dominate. but them punch a whole in the wind Tarr Healed line of smallness and grittyness are just as roll in the dirt rowdy
as ole rat and remember I lived in the Dover Tn area and belonged to the Dover PKC hunt club who seattlite held casts for all the major hunts out of Arurra andwe all knew the hunters and breeders and seen a bunch of SSF Hunt crops yr.after yr. hunted and placed and what their genitic worth was when used as stud or gyp in future crosses.
Your learning how too cross dog lines too come up with the type of hound that is suiteing you . Thats inportant but defameing other lines on a very limited amout of real infom. and not have running a lot of line keeping/say 20 yrs means your just a studient of what works for you, but you don`t know what trates from which lines bring in trates you don`t like an so ya ott too just private mail whom ever ya need too and state what your seeing/ That Open World PKC HUNT alone usually has 500-600 entrys in the one week it runsannually and people have been makeing it their point too attend and glean from .Thers a whole lot more too everything than what your seeing,but what your seeing ya need too be going annually to the Open World hunt or at least too the Super Stakes Faturity hunt week the month be for and takeing a entry your self/ get your stud and gyp or bitch PKC regesteredand your offspring pupsSSF elligable/ become a part ofthe whole nation and get first hanf knowledge for your self Im apploding your work and what your doing,your inproveing the lines too meet your hunting needs just like the point hunters did too the 60`s -today in time houndsin erra`s/well a lot was trown away and changedcfor the needs they wanted bred in for/ and how many of todays 30 yr old hunters have even ever been in the woods with a great pleasure hunting type of cooner ? Keep at it you are doing just fine except ya need too not talk about others dogs like that. Notice I was not high on Tarr Heall dogs they didn`t meet myown likes in a hound too keep and hunt/but I seen they caught game,they was also PKC & UKC event good hounds and I noted it flat out streight up !
I didn`t have too lie not just be pleasent,I was truthfull/ openions may change but facts remain, them dogs catch game and win too !

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