back trailing

nmbowhunter06 · Post by **nmbowhunter06** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 12:47 am

How is it going everyone my name is Robert I'm new to the forum. I have a question for you guys I have an 11 month old female black and tan that I have been training for lions. Just recently see has picked up a bad habit of back trailing all the way back to the original spot where we picked up a track her brother doesn't do that . She started doing it a few Weeks ago when we were training she did it on 2 different times out. I took her and her brother with some experienced dogs yesterday and they got a pretty hot track in the beginning and she stayed with all the dogs until they got hung up and then back trailed a mile back opening up as if she was on a hot track.any suggestions on how to stop this???

merlo_105 · Post by **merlo_105** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 3:41 am

As soon a she turns that track and your 100% sure she is going back words tone her right away if she continues then hit her on a 2 every time she opens her mouth. Your not wanting to fry her just bump her with the collar.

nmbowhunter06 · Post by **nmbowhunter06** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 5:18 am

Ok I'll try that that yeah she seems to do it when the track goes pretty cold and I don't know where it came from because she was pretty good at lining tracks out when stuff got tough.

Old dog · Post by **Old dog** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 9:27 am

merlo hit it on the head. jmo

dognamedsue · Post by **dognamedsue** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:06 am

Do you think there is a possibility that she might of had a bad run in with a lion she was on? I'm wondering because sounds kind of familiar to one of mine. Just trying to put the puzzle together.

Mike Leonard · Post by **Mike Leonard** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 2:00 pm

Good advice Merlo!

There may be a lot of reasons a dog may do this but seldom is it an encounter with a bad animal. usually if that is the case they will lose heart and just give up the chase.

Some dogs are so eager to push a track or to be in front on a track they get a bit jealous about it and if other dogs start beating them out they might just turn around and go the other way where there is no competition.

Backtrailing is common on bare ground lion tracks and a person has to be sure the dogs are trailing in the right direction because under many conditions it is impossible fo almost any dog to determine quickly which is the righ direction. this is seldom the case on snow and for a dog to run backwards on a covered track. ( A covered track is a track that has already been trailed over, like a subject already covered in a lesson) is a serious fault. Don't be afraid to make sure and then tone or even bump them and get them back up there going with the rest of the dog. If they persisit in this you may have to question their worth in you pack.

I had an old black and tan dog named Jack years ago. Now Jack at times looked like a million dollars and when he was leading a race he was a champ and he could really roll on a track and was a good locater and tree dog. But I had some good young dogs coming up and occasionaly one of them would beat him out on a track recover a loss quicker and roll out and at times tree ahead of him. Jack would usually but not alwasy come to the tree but you better tie him up becasue if you shot the lion out or tried to catch the dogs and lead out that old son of gun would grab that backtrack and run it all the way back to the afterbirth if you let him. He was jealous of those young dogs and he wanted to prove he could trail it. I had to get hard on him about it and he cost be a few lions. He really got bad one time when he got away from me on a backtrack of a big tom and it was pretty fresh. He had a huge mouth and he would suck some of the young dogs in with him if he could and away they would go. this time he somehow got off on this backtrack while I was cussing him and low and behold he got down there in the canyon where the tom had come out of and treed a female. Oh I hated going to that tree cuz i couldn't whip him and I didn't have good collars in those days.

So nip it in the bud as quick as you can , and if you can't stop it for the sake of your other dogs do somthing else.

nmbowhunter06 · Post by **nmbowhunter06** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 2:27 pm

Thanks for all the replies I will try to get this nipped in the but quick. The track the other day was a good track she just wants to do it when it gets tough she started doing in training a few times when she couldn't line out the track and then did it in the actual hunt.

Azlongears · Post by **Azlongears** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:34 pm

Get rid of her..ASAP. It's a genetic quality and will always be there. She will ruin your pack and any young dog you try and train behind her. I dealt with this exact thing a few years ago and it all but finished me. Sure you can tone her or shock her when she turns it around when you're standing right there, but what about whey they are trailing and you're no where around? There are too many other good young dogs out there to try. To me that's a deal breaker, same as tree fighting, face barking, and false treeing. Cut your losses, you will be years ahead. Good Luck!!

AK

mondomuttruner · Post by **mondomuttruner** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 11:12 pm

This training thing your doing, don't do it anymore..train with the real thing.

al baldwin · Post by **al baldwin** » Sat Mar 14, 2015 12:38 am

Azlongears wrote:Get rid of her..ASAP. It's a genetic quality and will always be there. She will ruin your pack and any young dog you try and train behind her. I dealt with this exact thing a few years ago and it all but finished me. Sure you can tone her or shock her when she turns it around when you're standing right there, but what about whey they are trailing and you're no where around? There are too many other good young dogs out there to try. To me that's a deal breaker, same as tree fighting, face barking, and false treeing. Cut your losses, you will be years ahead. Good Luck!!

AK

Did not want to be first to say this, but, must agree. Taking a cold track backwards, doubt if there was ever a hound that was not guilty of that, but flipping a track around and running it back, especially a track others were taking the correct end, I never had any luck breaking a hound of that. Owned a hound that would have been a dandy if I could have broke him of it. Al

fallriverwalker1 · Post by **fallriverwalker1** » Sat Mar 14, 2015 1:28 am

have to agree with al . you cant fix that problem jim

Tim Pittman · Post by **Tim Pittman** » Sat Mar 14, 2015 1:29 am

driftwood blue · Post by **driftwood blue** » Sat Mar 14, 2015 1:55 am

not to try to just disagree with anyone. but I know of 2 cases that it was done and completely cured the backtracking problem. it was not cured with the winchester method but will not reveal that method on open forum..

If it were my own dog and I thought a lot of it, I would get the strongest Trashbreaker and keep it fully charged ALL THE TIME when hunting that bugger.. start like mentioned and just keep notching it up.. the quicker it is dealt with the better.

But I sure do feel that that is a fault that does come with a lot of genetics. you might over ride it and get by by keeping that Trashbreaker on all the time

Jeff Eberle · Post by **Jeff Eberle** » Sat Mar 14, 2015 2:25 am

You say you have been training her, Are you laying drags ? If so you may be teaching her to run backwards.

1bludawg · Post by **1bludawg** » Sat Mar 14, 2015 3:03 am

I have to agree with Azlongears,Al ,Jim and Tim.I've had to get rid of many dogs for the reason you describe .I've even seen other dogs pick this habit up because of the one bad apple .Not to offend anyone but in most cases its just plain stupidity.The ole shock collar can limit this behavior but i've never saw one that was completely broke of it.My advice(for what its worth ) would be to get another well bred young dog and start over.

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