bobcat training scent

[merlo_105]

Hard to say if hunting a Pregnant female will add anything. But you said all pup's made good cat dogs. I don't think any form of scent is passed to the puppies maybe it is IDK but it's supposed to bring out the hunt in them. Seem's like that must have worked for you when the pups all made good cat dogs... might not have been gritty enough for your liking or what has it but it sounds like they all hunted just fine

[JTG]

Here is the second best scent, that I have found. It's not as good as the rag in a live trap but it works and you can use it to catch a truck load of cats in traps.

In the lid of a glass jar drill a hole were the stem of a fish tank air hose will fit tight. You use this to let gas at of the jar and keep the fly's out.

Cut the glands from a bobcat, there is one behind each ear, in the neck, on each leg and two in the rear. For every ten cats cut two pads off of the feet.

From the bladder, save the urine from the cats and store in a separate glass jar.

Fill glass jars with air stones in the lid, about 1/4 full with the glands and the pads.

Store in cool place out of the sun, for about a year. It will turn into a white paste. Once it turns into a white paste, cover the glands with the cat urine, just enough to cover. swirl to mix it.

Every couple of weeks, swirl the mixture and after a few months it will be ready to go, but if you can wait several months it will be even better. Swap out the lid with the hole for one without it.

[al baldwin]

Here is the second best scent, that I have found. It's not as good as the rag in a live trap but it works and you can use it to catch a truck load of cats in traps.

In the lid of a glass jar drill a hole were the stem of a fish tank air hose will fit tight. You use this to let gas at of the jar and keep the fly's out.

Cut the glands from a bobcat, there is one behind each ear, in the neck, on each leg and two in the rear. For every ten cats cut two pads off of the feet.

From the bladder, save the urine from the cats and store in a separate glass jar.

Fill glass jars with air stones in the lid, about 1/4 full with the glands and the pads.

Store in cool place out of the sun, for about a year. It will turn into a white paste. Once it turns into a white paste, cover the glands with the cat urine, just enough to cover. swirl to mix it.

Every couple of weeks, swirl the mixture and after a few months it will be ready to go, but if you can wait several months it will be even better. Swap out the lid with the hole for one without it.

Do you use anything to preserve your lure? Thanks Al

[dhostetler]

If you breed 2 good grade dogs together that do not have a similar genetic background it can be a crap shoot on what is produced. My definition of a good bear dog is probably higher than most people's. I place the idea of running pregnant females in the same catagory as planting potatoes on a certain moon sign.

The idea of introducing bobcat scent to a very young dog is a lot more believable to me but I still question it. There are people on here that claim they never have to break a dog off trash, so maybe I am doing it all wrong and need to keep my young pups in a sterile environment so they are not exposed to unwanted scent as all my pups have had to be broke off trash.

[merlo_105]

The Pregnant female seem's a little far fetched. But worth paying attention to it sure ain't going to hurt anything. Scent's if used right aren't going to hurt anything either. I like a certain type of pup and a certain type of dog and raise them all a certain way. It has helped with training and hunting. A friend I hunt with sometimes likes the complete opposite type of dog I like, his dogs have a good handle but he has to really trash break them.

[JTG]

Al,

You can use Sodium Benzoate, but what I have found is without it, they will roll on the lure and that is what you want for live traps.
It also works great with game camera's, I hang a bird feather from a tree limb with a fish swivel and string and use just a few drops of lure. If there are cats around they will check it out.

Here is the second best scent, that I have found. It's not as good as the rag in a live trap but it works and you can use it to catch a truck load of cats in traps.

In the lid of a glass jar drill a hole were the stem of a fish tank air hose will fit tight. You use this to let gas at of the jar and keep the fly's out.

Cut the glands from a bobcat, there is one behind each ear, in the neck, on each leg and two in the rear. For every ten cats cut two pads off of the feet.

From the bladder, save the urine from the cats and store in a separate glass jar.

Fill glass jars with air stones in the lid, about 1/4 full with the glands and the pads.

Store in cool place out of the sun, for about a year. It will turn into a white paste. Once it turns into a white paste, cover the glands with the cat urine, just enough to cover. swirl to mix it.

Every couple of weeks, swirl the mixture and after a few months it will be ready to go, but if you can wait several months it will be even better. Swap out the lid with the hole for one without it.

Do you use anything to preserve your lure? Thanks Al

[southern fox]

my opinion on embedding something in a pup before its born , don't believe that , but that's me and me been wrong before lots of times ! I don't believe that will happen , Breeding is a guessing game , the best to the best doesn't always work , seen it way to many times , I have bred lots of dogs and raised lots of pups , and to this day I can honestly say I have had a many of outstanding females and breeding them to what one would say was a outstanding male , have never raised a female that was as good as the mama , a lot that were close, but never like mama , don't know why but haven't , I believe a man that has a outstanding gyp looks at her way to hard and tries to base everything the pups do on her, and the way she does, have had more pups from a friend that made outstanding hounds than what I have bred and raised myself ! being for me I believe is judging pups to hard against mama when all will have a different style, breeding is complicated in getting what one desires everything will not be the same ! I always try to breed up not down , for traits a male has that female does not , somewhere it will be passed, but being lucky enuf to see it before culling is very hard to do its impossible , like breeding deer proof hounds , have seen a lot of them , and try to breed for that but that's impossible to do also have seen the whole line , both male and female for generations back be naturally deer proof , and breed them to together and the whole litter be crazy abt deer , and everything else ! its all one big guess, odds get a little better staying close to the same line , but that's no guarantee neither ! nice to look at on paper but paper don't catch cat dogs do , the friend I have we both have the same hounds , littermates , same line that we both breed on , we cross back and to stepping out ocassionally to breed to a male not related , we hunt the same , train dogs the same , judge each others dogs the same , he hunts one side the river in one county I hunt the other side the river in a different county , he has had a many of outstanding dog I have bread and vice versa ! tells me something , we are judging our pups to hard against the parents , when we have no mama or daddy to look at to judge them against they get good quick .

[mark]

Judging a dog against cats works pretty good too IMO

[david]

I can't find it, but once read a study on pre- natal hunting of bird dogs. It was conducted like a scientific experiment and the results were astonishingly in favor of hunting a pregnant female. Maybe some one good at searching could find it for us because I sure would like to see it again. I thought it was posted at squirrel dog central, not sure, and it was something like "raising the super puppy"

Also if any one could find any thing on pre natal influences on human babies, might be interesting. I know there have been studies on pre natal exposure to music, for example, if any one could find something on that. And we definately know some things about pre-natal exposure to drugs and other substances. I would guess there might be information somewhere on animal experiments in this area.

As I understand it scent is simply actual molecules sloughed off of the animal or whatever it is being smelled. Are not drugs and other substances made up of molecules?
If scent is molecules, and drugs are molecules (some drugs being taken by "snorting") and we know drugs affect pre natal beings, might we wonder if scent would also?

Have you ever watched a tired dog come alive and alert by drinking coffee? I have not, but I have seen them come alive powerfully by the entrance of scent molecules into their system.
Beyond the possible influence of scent molecules, is it possible pre natal beings could be influenced by a mothers attitudes, actions, and body chemicals such as adrenalin?

We know human babies can be born with an adiction to the mothers drug of choice. Or do we?
Asking.

[david]

Another quick question in case anyone on here knows the answer: at what point in the pregnancy does a wild canine (fox,coyote, jackal etc)cease hunting? Because I would reason in my own mind that this would be an indicator from nature as to when to lay up a pregnant hound.

[JTG]

http://breedingbetterdogs.com/pdfFiles/ ... 7-2012.pdf

[barksalot]

I love this site. Not to say that other tree dog sites do not have serious members that contribute on occasion, but you can depend on the members on here to post provocative questions and well thought out answers that are based on a depth of experience. Thanks.
Of course everybody tries to keep a good mix of banter and humor. The sharing of hunting adventures is also a big plus.

Now to the subject: I have never found a great benefit in bottled scent for either training or breaking.
And as to hunting pregnant females; it is good for the female as long as she is able to go, therefore any benefit to the pups is a bonus.

[al baldwin]

Another quick question in case anyone on here knows the answer: at what point in the pregnancy does a wild canine (fox,coyote, jackal etc)cease hunting? Because I would reason in my own mind that this would be an indicator from nature as to when to lay up a pregnant hound.

I would be cautious hunting a female in the pregnancy. I think, hunted the best female ever owned too late causing the pups to die inside her. Spent several hundreds keeping her alive, vet had to operate twice to save her& told me by all means she should have not made it. I assisted him the second time he operated. An awesome vet, not many like him, taught me a bunch. I just can/t believe it could make the pups better by hunting them. My case was that would be her last hunt before whelping, dang near turned out to be her last period. Just my experience Al

[mark]

Im not saying i do or don't believe the the theory as i don't breed enough dogs to prove it one way or the other. What i do know is that when someone that has bred and hunted dogs for over fifty years and has caught more cats (arguably) than most any other cat hunter,i pay attention!
Especially after seeing what his under a year old dogs were capable of. I cant dismiss the possibility completely though knowing what doctors have proven can affect human babies during pregnancy. How are wild animals taught to trail? There has to be something going on there to cause people to say natural instinct. A wild predator has to be getting it done by less than a year old in most cases or they starve. Some predators the male will hunt for the female and young but the ones that don't would have to hunt right up to birth time i would think?