GOP Debate

[david]

"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem, government IS the problem. It isn't so much that liberals are ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so." Ronald Reagan

"Representative government is artifice, a political myth, designed to conceal from the masses the dominance of a self-selected, self-perpetuating, and self-serving traditional ruling class."
Giuseppe Prezzolini

"If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it". Mark Twain

"A constitutional government once changed from freedom can never be restored. Liberty once lost is lost forever". John Adams.

"Our safety, our liberty, depends upon preserving the Constitution of the United States as our fathers made it inviolate. The people of the United States are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution."
Abraham Lincoln


"Democracy must be something more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner." James Bovard

"There is a tragic flaw in our constitution, and I don't know what can be done to fix it: only nut cases want to be president". Kurt Vonnegut

"Total paranoia is just total awareness". Charles Manson

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"Our government rests upon religion. It is from that source that we derive our reverence for truth and justice, for equality and liberality, and for the rights of mankind. Unless the people believe in these principles they cannot believe in our government. There are only two main theories of government in our world. One rests on righteousness and the other on force. One appeals to reason, and the other appeals to the sword. One is exemplified in the republic, the other is represented by despotism.

The government of a country never gets ahead of the religion of a country. There is no way by which we can substitute the authority of law for the virtue of man. Of course we endeavor to restrain the vicious, and furnish a fair degree of security and protection by legislation and police control, but the real reform which society in these days is seeking will come as a result of our religious convictions, or they will not come at all. Peace, justice, humanity, charity—these cannot be legislated into being. They are the result of divine grace."
Calvin Coolidge.

"Repent, for the Kingdom of God is at hand"
John the Baptizer

[mike martell]

Zach

When I thought about this thread, your name come up front and center, I'm glad you weighed in....Thanks!..Here is the problem with Rand Paul....Lack of electability...So my question to you? Trump gets the GOP Nod and Hillary the Democrat....Do you refuse to vote and assist in placing Hillary or Bernie in the White House?

Sucks, but I'm all in with whoever becomes the GOP nominee....Why? I'm not willing to aid in electing a full blown Socialist defined as any of the potential Democrat candidates....Like I stated earlier, I'm not much of a Trumpian, but for sure not a socialist, not much difference in the two parties, but once again, until we reform our system and people pull their heads out of their a@@, I take the lesser of two evils any day over the alternative....

Looks like people are declaring war on the incumbents...I get it! We also have Ben and Carly!


No one would like better than myself to end the two party system, but it will never happen, not in my lifetime anyway and that is just the reality, we don't much count or matter but I still engage and refuse to surrender...I suspect if there ever was a time for the creation of a Constitution party or whatever you called the third party, it would have been formed right after mid terms with the last big shakeup.

David
In my simple mind, Our founding fathers would have already been firing on our out of control government as defined by the Second Amendment....

Thanks guys!
Mike

[houndsandterriers]

I like to watch the presidential debates before I decide who to vote for. I guess that is just crazy. haha.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hipHaxkpXag What say you?

Clem.

[mike martell]

[Grzyadms4x4]

Hi Mike! I hope all is well with you and yours. You know I couldn't avoid this topic, haha. I was expecting someone to bring up his electability. I just don't get it. The guy stands for what a lot of people want: term limits, a strong national defense, a balanced budget, tackling the debt, auditing the fed, criminal justice reform, second amendment rights, etc. Why is he not electable? Because the media doesn't report on him so no one knows what he stands for. They report on the sound that Trump's fart makes, but don't report on a guy that has been working hard in the senate to fight for our constitutional rights and is beating hillary Clinton in at least 5 states that are democratic and voted for Obama last election. Sounds electable to me. Maybe the media makes more money off of the war mongers and the death of our sons and daughters, why would they want to turn off the commercial cash spigot.

Heck, aside from Bernies love for freebies, he's quite the classical liberal(tarian), as in he's more for freedom than most democrats. Thing is we have a republican controlled house and senate, bernie or hillary would have to get things done through them and that damn sure ain't gonna happen. UNLESS, it's for socialism that republicans want, or it's tied to a defense(offense) bill that "must be passed". The way it looks to me is it is Rand Paul versus everyone else. I'm more afraid of a warmongering president and a warmongering house and senate sending more Americans to die for a people that won't fight for themselves. Plunging us more into debt, while increasing the police state, in the name of safety of course, think of the children Mike. haha Than I am about a democratic president dead locking with the house and senate. Hell, nothing getting passed, no bills, no laws, no regulations, well that's how it should be.

They don't care about debt, socialism, or freedom. They want to control and impose their religious, social and political ideology on us all. Democrats are no different, but F%^$ck, if we are going to spend, spend, spend, I might as well get a free phone out of the deal. haha

There won't be any third party in my opinion. I voted libertarian last time just to try and get them up to 5% of the vote so they can get federal elections money but I just don't see it happening and people are just to programmed to the right vs left, red vs blue football game mentality of our elections. It's sad and funny at the same time.

I will vote for who want's to follow and further the ideas of the founding father's of this country. Which candidate will protect our life, liberty, property and pursuit of happiness instead of who will "make me feel safe", protect my limited interest, or help me make money.
I will vote for a candidate who is HONEST and doesn't use fear or religion to try to get elected.

I do wish I was king of this country though so I can have the NSA find out where clemaprilhoundsterriersbluetick lives and have gov. goons drag him out of his basement and slap him silly. He does occasionally have a good point though. A broken clock is right twice a day right?

Take care guys.

[pegleg]

Lol. I would be perfectly happy if not one more law bill etc got passed. That's a huge flaw. Every damn politician thinks it puts their name in the eternal column to have a bill passed. Christ we don't need them. Most 12 year olds with any kind of decent upbringing should be able to pick out right from wrong. If your doing wrong to someone else the question left is what's the right punishment.
I'll admit I don't like absolutes in most things because life tends to throw those unknowns in. However right or wrong behavior is easy enough for a persons peers to see.
Its like cop killing oh god what a emotional fire storm that is! No one for any reason should be allowed to kill the governments enforcement corp. I doubt a single one of our founding fathers felt that way. A corrupt law breaking officer or judge should be shot immediately. I don't think the use of deadly force should be used lightly. But when those in positions of power are proven to be corrupt or evil it should be the first reaction of a freedom loving people. When you put their lives above ours its damn sure a issue.
I don't want to hear about the daily risk either. Most Leo must be 21 to apply. Our soldiers are 18 and often 17. They must hold fire until fired upon. There's a lot of threatening that can be done before you get to the fired upon level. Why aren't leos held to the same level?
Our politicians add more laws as a regular activity next to lining their nest its probably their #1 activity. But they don't enforce them nor do they apply to them . no one can convince me a government that's makes rules and laws that only the public must abide by is concerned with keeping a nation free or fair.
My point is this. If we can't insist politely that our local governments obey the original constitution and the rights of man. How do you expect a presidential canidate who is put forward by a select group, elected by a electoral college behind closed doors to champion the peoples rights and values?
Then ad in our press is about the only method of double checking any of the voting accuracy. There's not one news agency I'm aware of that's not horribly biased, or more likely has its hands in the jar as well.

Accountability? If upon election or hiring a public servant you no longer have any power over them, just how do you expect accountability?
Impeachment? How's that been working?
Look at this a sheriff has power to do damn near anything in his county and some do. Yet they are actually elected. This is the highest example I can feel comfortable in saying you might be able to hold accountable.
I'm sure among the many districts represented on bgh. There's plenty of examples to be found of judges who are incompetent or just plain abusive. Yet they are beyond the law. When was the last time one was held accountable?
Homeland security? Border patrol? FBI? DEA? Try accountability out and see what happens.
Hell try it on the forest service or blm.
The presidential election is the attention diversion for all the slight of hand being done elsewhere in your govt.
If you can't control your dogs one at a time. What makes you think you can handle the whole pack?
Yeah if that lead dogs straight it helps you get a handle on the rest quicker. But does anyone really believe there's a trash free presidential candidate anywhere?

[dhostetler]

Reagan transformed the Republican Party. What we have in Trump is another transformative figure. Trump is a great communicator. If you watch the debates all other candidates give long winded statements always going over there allotted time. Trump in 90% less words can convey his message. His lack of talking about foreign affairs should be proof enough of his noninterest in starting another war. We have all these trade agreements with foreign countries that continuely rip us off. We need a President that will stand up for America and rip up these trade agreements or enforce them. Our so called European allies in NATO have not spent the agreed amount in defense per treaty agreement. We need a President with the balls to tell those whining Europeans that we are pulling out of NATO unless they shape up and let them fend off Putin on there own.

[dhostetler]

A large portion of the world rips us off in trade agreements and still depends on us for protection, financed by us Tax payers led by weak presidents. We need a strong President that has a number 1 priority to look after our interests. There are many people with previously no interest in politics are watching the debates for the first time and planning to register to vote for Trump. The polls are currently only polling registered voters what those polls are not picking up is the millions of people Trump could pull into the voting booth for the first time if he were the nominee.

[mike martell]

Zach

I didn't have to put much bait in the trap to suck you in, hope everything is going well for you and your family as well!...I always enjoy your perspective! You make some very valid points all the way around...I think we will all be shocked with who becomes the GOP nominee...

Your quote
I do wish I was king of this country though so I can have the NSA find out where clemaprilhoundsterriersbluetick lives and have gov. goons drag him out of his basement and slap him silly. He does occasionally have a good point though. A broken clock is right twice a day right?


He's a she.


Pegleg

Here in Oregon our elected officials introduce some 2-3 thousand bills annually...How do we maintain a constitution when everything in State is prefaced by amends the constitution, you must first pass them to find out what's in them. Pretty hard to do when they bundle them in bulk, they are in session around five months, subtract the weekends and they look at an average of 15- 25 bills per day...Tell me they read and understand them all?......We're screwed!

Duane

Points well taken!

I'm at a point in life none of this will impact me much...I just feel sorry for the next several generations....

Hound training season is here so I will exit out from the daily routine very soon....

You guys all take care!

[mike martell]

Mr. Sizer

Just picked up on this and thought I would post it.....This will help reduce your blood pressure some since our earlier post (just kidding) Like I said, it is an open race to the finish line and lots will change...I like the potential candidates exposure to debates, media and records that surely will sort the fly Chit from the pepper in the end!

MACKINAC ISLAND, Mich. – Rand Paul won the straw poll at the Mackinac Island Republican Leadership Conference, a show of organizational strength for a candidate who has seen his presidential hopes fade.

Paul led with 22 percent, followed by Carly Fiorina with 15 percent, John Kasich with 13 percent, and Ted Cruz with 12 percent. Trailing them were Jeb Bush with 9 percent, Marco Rubio with 8 percent, and Donald Trump with 6 percent.
Further back: Ben Carson received 5 percent and Scott Walker finished with 2 percent.

Just a few minutes ago Walker bailed out!

Mike