Ever wonder why they steal our hounds

[nmplott]

you see often enough that a game dog gets stolen. Have you ever thought that someone exploits the qualities that we enhance in our dogs. Our dogs are bred to like people and other dogs. You hardly ever see some one stealing a doberman or pit but it happens enough that you see missing hound posting on numerous sites.

[michael.magorian]

Most of the dogs that get stolen are usually some sort of game dog. If I were to guess its because of bragging rights. Instead of getting a pup and training it to hunt, why not just steal someone else's hard work and effort? What would be the point in stealling a grown rot or weiner dog? I realize it still happens but most of the dogs stolen have been trained for something.

[Mike Leonard]

First off let me say in my eyes a hound theif rates right there with horse theft, rustler,child molester or rapist and any other immoral, unethical, dispicable slimey SOB you can imagine. When it comes to this type of deveat behavior it all comes from the dark recesses of the human spirit, and it should not be tolerated.

Wow! you are pretty tough on a plain old hound theif Mike ranking him in there with these hardended criminal behavior patterns, aren't you?

Not really, think about this.Your dog, your faithful friend, your hunting buddy, your child's pet, and your pride and joy, being ripped off by sombody that does it for reasons only known to them. Jelousy, greed, envy, malice, or contempt. Your dog is taken away in the dark of the night, and chained to some strange dog house some place. Usually these types do not take even average good care of their animals or family. So the dog is relagated to a lonely, strange excistance and most likely an early death. Well if they didn't steal my best dog I wouldn't be quite so mad. What difference does it make? You have been violated!

This is unacceptable behavior. I have had dogs stolen, I have had lies and cover-ups told to me. Do I still burn? You bet I do!

Some may know that I am pretty hard to piss off, but when it comes to sombody stealing or shooting one of my dogs it is a different story. Let me simply say it is not a good thing to even contemplate for some that have will never forget their mistakes.

PLEASE NOTE:

Be very careful also you hunters out there of who you let take that good hound prospect and train it for you. Some if they really turn out well seem to have a way of getting lost, or killed or run over .

Freeze brand, tattoo, micro-chip, and DNA these will discourage some thefts. I have begun using all of these over the years, but still you can have all the deterents possible and a theif is still going to be a theif.

[Spanky]

First off let me say in my eyes a hound theif rates right there with horse theft, rustler,child molester or rapist and any other immoral, unethical, dispicable slimey SOB you can imagine. When it comes to this type of deveat behavior it all comes from the dark recesses of the human spirit, and it should not be tolerated.

Wow! you are pretty tough on a plain old hound theif Mike ranking him in there with these hardended criminal behavior patterns, aren't you?

could not have said it any better Mike....other then adding some profanity which I will not at this time Lets just say down right lazy SOB who needs to steal a hound rather then spend the time to raise one themselves. Usually a wannabe that does not have the brain power to figure out how to train one themselves.

[D/S-hunter]

I tell you what this stuff makes me sick,I've had this happen to me twice now,the first time was when I still had a young pack so it hurt but not as bad as this last one a couple of weaks ago, let me tell you the story .I recived a call about a problem bear that needed to be taken ,I ageed to go and see if I could catch this bear and resolve the problem,I've learned not to get to worked up on this stuff , because to many times it turns out to be a dog are a fox something other then a bear.I went out the next morning to the area where the bear was makeing the problems and rigged and started him after fighting him for hours he went up .The same people who called me where watching the whole thing after it was done I wound up missing a damn good dog on the way back to the truck .I broke out my tracker and it showed her to be heading fast to town then the signal went dead and my heart dropped .All that night and a whole tank of gas no signal ,the next day I found my tracking collar unbuckeld in a pond along the side of the main road.

[nmplott]

I was at my fathers this weekend. He gave me a livestock brand this weekend, it has been in our family for 112+ years, well anyway as he was showing me the brand in the official livestock brand book.... I got to thinking that this something that could greatly aid in the recovery of "lost" but most likely stolen dogs.
I have had a long discussion with Mike Leonard as to the use and importance of Freeze branding and thought if we could just have a page or someform of database to refrence this is my brand and here is where it goes, it would also be a wise thing to get one from the local livestock board and keep it registered, here in NM they are about 50 bucks a year and it stays in thier data base.

[Mike Leonard]

Steven, that is a dang good idea! You and Buddy should get together on this.

[mnb&t]

i couldnt agree more. well said guys. my language wouldnt be appropriate for this forum to share my opinion about any lowlife barfbag that results to that.

[Buddyw]

I'm open to help anyway I can. As long as you do the leg work and figure out how it would work..

I have too many irons in the fire right now to do this.

My question is most Brands I know about are folk's Initials, Do you think that we will see folks with the same initials and How would that work??

[Mike Leonard]

I think that my be a problem to start with but once folks get the idea they will choose a brand similar to a cattle brand, if it is in a registry.

Most older hounds guys already have a brand that is pretty recognized. If you see a dog with a V on the right ear and a J on the left ear you can bet Van Johnson has put a mark on him. My brand is my initials but the are connected instead of ML the right down bar of the M makes up the straight of the L, and this goes on the right ear of the hound. So in cow terms it is ML connected. This is actually a personal brand that has been in the family but is not stock registed in the state of New Mexico. Custom brand makers can make just about anything you want, just make sure you use good thick brass to hold the cold in.

[Moonshiner]

i have yet to have my dog stolen, but i dont talk about the fella much that stole my pistol, and I found...

[three rivers catahoulas]

I would have to say besides my wife and kids there is nothing I would rather go to prison for then endding the life of a dog thief. I have never had one stolen but I have had one shot by a deer hunter, and I really think if my 10 year old had not been there I would have shot him on the spot. I sued the guy and lost. the judge said I was taking the risk of getting my dog killed by huntin him, I should have layed him to rest too. I had a buddy that frezze brands his dogs on the ears, dont do that they will cut the ears off of a good dog. Sad but true. But you guys couldn't have said it any better then what you did, and Mike I know how ya feel.

[Redwood Coonhounds]

you see often enough that a game dog gets stolen. Have you ever thought that someone exploits the qualities that we enhance in our dogs. Our dogs are bred to like people and other dogs. You hardly ever see some one stealing a doberman or pit but it happens enough that you see missing hound posting on numerous sites.

I've heard a lot of people say a human agressive hound is as bad as a dog agressive hound. I have to dissagree some. While I don't tolerate dog agression at all, and I wouldn't have a hound I couldn't trust with people, all of my hounds are watchdogs.

They are fine with people if I'm with them and they are hunting or at an event. But your not going to catch them off a tree, stick your hand in my dog box or go out and get one out of the kennel. If they don't know you and I'm not there, your in trouble. They won't just look to bite someone, they would rather avoid people, but if someone pushes the issue, I don't feel bad one bit. One thing though, is all the dogs love kids, no matter what.

All my dogs are related and it really runs in the line. The one's that aren't I think it's a learned behavior.


I don't mind it one bit. Makes me feel safer about them. Plus they are all microchipped as well.

[nmplott]

that was basically the primary intention of my post. Mike Leonard and I had a lenghty phone conversation about dog aggression one day. I won't tolerate dog on dog aggression or dog on human aggression as well and most of these traits are stuff we as houndsmen enhance or if not cull and this is a trait that honest people get screwed on because of dishonest people. I still think that people with hounds should buy livestock brands for freeze branding and get them registered as well as I am still trying to figure out the best way to get a registry started even if its just unofficial and used for us to refrence if a dog is stolen and tried to be sold.

[three rivers catahoulas]

I was thinkin of doin the same thing, starting a dog brand registery, my brand is on the right shoulder it's a TR with a rocker under it, like this but under ( the TR, it's a registered brand for my cattle though.