Bears outrunning Dogs

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loaded4bear wrote:I hunt in WV and there is no closed training season. Someone is hunting just about every day. I think we have some of the fastest bear around.


You nailed that one. same concept as dolly sods where i hunt in wv.


In my oppinion its like this. it mite not mean 2 cents but everyone has one. you gotta have dogs that run to catch. that are in shape. and have the heart and drive to do the job. and the main thing is. they gotta hate bear. or whatever species you run them on. no your not gonna tree everyone and no not all bears are the same. but you gotta have a hound or breeding program thats consistent in any condition terrain and situation and proves it day in and day out with no let up.
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larry wrote:
Nolte wrote:
lepcur wrote: then ya have dogs that will acuatlyhave the dogs that will put preassure on the bear and with those type dogs ya don't usually don't have the running bear in the brush, they will stand and bay or walk and make a fight of it. I have seen very very few bear run in the brush. I guess is what I'm asking is when ya say your dogs are being outrun in the brush, are they outrun or outwalked,


We've got a LOT of bear that run in the brush, because that is pretty much all we have is brush/swamps. Trust me they can RUN.

I hear all the time about these dogs that run for 10+ hours or longer. And from all these stories it seems to happen all the time. We hunt in a more roaded area and runs like that barely ever happen, and you can just about bet that it's not the first dogs put out that are the ones still going at the end.

I would LOVE to see dogs that can run 10+ hours in July for multiple days in a row, because I don't know a single hunter in this area that has dogs that can do that.

In our area, about 1 in 10 bear will catch and bay and we usually catch most of them. Or should say we walk in and catch the dogs off of them with the bear being right there. The other 9 run until the dogs tire them out, OR they tire out the dogs. At the start the bear have better odds, but towards the end the odds get tilted much further in the dogs direction. It's been like this for as long as I can remember, and is like that for all the guys I know. I don't need somebody to TELL me about these "great" super natural type dogs, I need someone to SHOW me. I'll gladly sit on the sideline and watch, cause I really want to see this.



How bad do you want to see it? It's out there, and I'm sure you could get an invitation to go watch. If you're not color blind and willing to hunt bettter dogs, you would probably be doing some selling and buying after you went. Lots of people have.


That's what I'm saying Larry, back about 20 years ago I had the all day races and got fed up between that and the dogs not wanting to trail a track that I know they could smell a little and I could tell it was made the night before, I got rid of all them potlickers and started over with a pair of pups and kept my best old dog( which wasn't the best but the best I had) to get the pups going and in the next 2 years the pups were going strong and I got rid of the old dog and started breeding what I had. I'm still hunting the same blood and it keeps getting better. If ya have dogs that have alot of heart and the desire to catch their game they will. You're not going to catch every one ya turn out on but instead of 1 out of 10 it will be 9 out of 10. Last weekend a friend came up to hunt with me and we treed a bobcat and on the way back to the rigs the dogs hit a bear track in a little side canyon and in a hour and a half we went to the tree and they had a 70-80lber. We were back home a little after lunch time. Have a good1, Mike
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onalimb wrote:
Be nice Scott, Ike has the only Blood line that Produces "REAL TOP SHELF BEAR DOGS" look at his pics, they come in every color too!


Gotta love it man......REAL TOP SHELF BEAR DOGS! It's the kind of things dreams are made of huh? Or maybe the not knowing huh?

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IKE,WHEN ARE YOU COMIN BACK ANYWAY.........THAT IS TO BRITISH COLUMBIA,LMAO.LAST I SEEN YOU,THERE WAS A TAIL BETWEEN YOUR LEGS SCRAMBLIN BACK TO UTAH,LOL.ANY TIME MY FRIEND........WERENT YOUR FRIENDS TRYIN TO BUY PLOTTS,ROTFLMFAO.IT REALLY DOESNT MATTER CAUSE THE BIG BAD BOAR THAT WIPPED YOUR DOGS OFF TWICE WAS KILLED,BAYED UP,LOL..........GLAD YOUR STILL LIVIN YOUR DREAM...........
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Sounds like you're living in a dream to me scott, but you are correct on one thing and that's ol' Ike does have a tail hanging behind his legs but out front and just above his knees............

Yea, my buddy bought your line of shit and wondered if those plott dogs might be the ticket on bear. But he also figured out that if a guy has to see a bear to catch it with his hounds they aren't what he needs in Utah to tree bears. Personally, I've only seen one bear cross the road in Utah and it got treed by my hounds faster than you could learn how to whistle Dixie.

Hey Scott, if you ever want an education on what a real pack of big game hounds are like then load up two or three of those plotts and bring them down for a week or two. We can put your two best dogs on the platform with mine and watch my dogs rig lion, bear or bobcat while yours stand there wondering what the hell is going on..............

And right now is a good time for me, so load up your mutts and put your hounds where your mouth is.........

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Dont do it Scott,If Ikes dogs strike and cant line it out,he loads them up and if thay bark for 20 minuet, its a bobcat or a lion.But if you do go down and hunt with ol ike dont say anything about the great hound hunters of the west,unless you say he`s the best,or he well have a shitattack
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roflmao.......... :wink:
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i dont know about ike but i know that bears are exceptionally fast, and it is not uncommon for dogs to get outrun by them, my second opinion on the matter would be that you are running your dogs at noon in 90 degree weather? you need to be jumping those bears as soon as you can while the weather is cool. this will help the dogs with keeping the track and help them not get overheated and rundown.
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weather and trailing cond. play a part but the handler must be honest with his pack if they get out run all the time it's time to change the pack.
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If your running the same area all the time you could be turning out on one mean bear. We had a mean bear that was always crossing a certain stretch of road, about a hundred and fifty pound sow. We would turn out on her and the dogs were on fire. They would jump her and 15-20 minutes later the race was over..dogs standing in the road, waiting for a ride. These weren't your typical wanta be bear dogs but 50 bear a year bear dogs. Couldn't figure out what the hell was going on!

I figured this must be one helluva mean little sow, but they had been on dozens of mean walking bears and never ever quit them. Must of ran her a half dozens times only to have dogs standing on the road in less than a half an hour. After a month or two of this crap I didn't even want to turn out on that strech of road anymore..a guys ego can only take so much of a ass kicken before you cry uncle!

Then one day I was going to have my buddy take all the dogs on that upper road and turn out on her and I was going to sit on a corner on the lower road across the draw and when she came through I was going to assassinate her ass!

Well just like usual they struck right in her house and the race was on. I was down on that lower road across the draw and boy did I get the full view of her shananagans. She would run into patchs of thick brush and then stop and turn around and wait for the dogs to come in..as the dogs would close in on the brush patch out she would charge right into the middle of them. She was doing this every 50 yds..after 20 minutes of this those dogs were so gun shy to close in on the next brush patch it was not even funny! By the time they hit that lower road they were done!

I took alot of diffrent guys who had good dogs in there and told them they would have all their dogs standing on that lower road in less than a half an hour. I was laughed at and ridiculed until they turned loose... a half an hour later I was the one who was doing the laughing.

After I saw what this little sow was doing..how could I take her out of the gene pool and deny all those other great hound doggers the opportunity to eat some humble pie at any given time I had the whim to serve some up. She was a master of the ambush..over and over again.
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I aint a bear hunter bigcat but thats a pretty good explaination. Not all of em can be caught, I dont care what game you are chasin.
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bigcat - great story- :)

had a similiar bear here --- dogs wouldnt quit right away ---but they sure got quiet-- lol
if you walked in to catch them--lookout , cause dogs wasnt the only thing she was rushing -- bear finallly disapeared and i dont miss her one bit -
at the end , she had kind of a bad hip - she did not run from dogs- just ran to a good spot to defend herself lol had a long history with that bear- lived rite by my house -

at least i belive that this was same bear - lol used to outrun dogs most the time ---if treed ,she would bailout over and over , we usually got about one dog tied at each tree --lol

, she finally gave up on that plan --next few years - we treed her a few times- once after an 8 hr run- she would growl and carry on in tree -always agitated :) you would expect a bear to behave after that kind of run- i cant be sure it was always the same bear - but im as sure as i can be lol treed lots of bear with no incident. got ourun- had walking bear but this one was a little different -
. she was tall n long for a female -we called her the lean bear - she gave me a hard time for ten years or so -
the last 2 years -she was done running - it wasnt safe to get close to her when she was agitated --
meaner than a wisconcin coon :)


a few years after that -- we had another almost same area--

dont think it was same bear , smaller. same attitude only worse- lol - that one seemed alot like the one you wrote about -she didnt mess around-- took dogs out in a hurry , never really saw anything, it didnt last that long-

we killed that one -she was treed, sorta , in a crotch 3 feet off the ground--one dog left - she was clawing at that one like a cat -normally dont kill any sows-- that day she hurt 5 out of 6 dogs in 30 minutes-- :oops:
felt bad bout killing a sow but i dont miss her-- lol


,, if it was tooo easy . wouldnt be any fun :)
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Pete, I'm really glad to see a story like that from guys like you and bigcat cause I was starting to worry about my pack. I reall dont get to bear hunt much so my dogs are not "bear dogs" but toward the end of summer we were missing more than we caught.

There was one sow that we ran from the same spot 4 days in a row and I beleive she was doing just what you guys are talking about.

I guess its not just us wannabe bear hunters who get smoked :o 8)
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savage , rite now-- im a wannabe bear hunter too :)

lost my best dog, next best got crippled -. another hurt and out whole season , was broke so sold next best --
only have one dog that can earn its feed -

in a way ,, its kind of a relief-- :)

not much to lose when i cut em loose lately :D
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I'm sorry to hear that Pete.

So I guess you wont be selling any pups from that NEK breeding any time soon? Sis is still doing a bang up job, usually on 3 legs since she got ate up by a bear on memorial day. :roll: I'd love to have another just like her :D :D :D
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Yea, yea, we had a hunter down south a few years back that had bought a conservation deer and bear tag out in the Book Cliffs. This guy didn't want to run or tree any bears that he wasn't gonna kill, so I was stuck with rigging and putting a killing size boar track to that rig before dumping hounds.

A buddy of mine had an elk tag on that unit and wanted me to hunt his dogs as well, which is always a plus as guy can rotate the hounds and give them a day off--not something my hounds were use to.

I had a landowner tell me he had a boar on his ground that had whipped off a pack of hounds a week or so back in less than an hour, but I didn't believe that story for a minute. We did load up seven hounds on that boar about the fourth day and they fought him most of the afternoon.

My hunter wanted to use a muzzleloader to kill his bear, and we tried to cut that fighting bear off several times over that afternoon. We did get nearly close enough for a kill shot at one point, and we got to see why this bear had ran the other hounddogger's dogs off so quickly. That bear would back up against a rock ledge or tree and single out one dog at a time, them run that dog fifty to seventy-five yards before the other dogs turned it. When the bear made us it blew out like it had seen the devil......

It began to rain pretty hard so we went to the truck and sat the storm out, leaving those poor hounds of mine to do battle with that mean boar. After the storm we started in on the bear and the first two dogs quit after only four or five hours. Then two more, leaving only my Ike and Rowen dogs to finish the battle.

That bear came around through the oak at about a hundred and fifty yards, and had those two dogs only feet behind it. I was pissed about then and grabbed my backup .300 Weatherby from the back seat and handed it to my hunter. Shoot that damn thing I told him!

Well, the hunter laid over the hood of my truck and never squeezed the trigger....then raised up and told me he was afraid of hitting the hounds. By then it was late afternoon and nearly evening and when the bear crossed the road my last two hounds quit as well.

My outfitter had a camp trailer and wall tent back in camp with a wood stove, and I stayed up half the night feeding the fire and biding my time til morning to take another crack at that bastard. Come morning, I loaded all eleven dogs and we went bear hunting. We went back to the same canyon and rigged that bear, and sent out three or four of my best hounds to strike. When they did, I opened the doors to my dog box and all eleven of those hounds were on the move for bear..........

Wasn't much of a fight this time, as that boar ran like I'd turned hell loose after him and up he went after a mile or so run........and we killed that bear!

My outfitter laughed and told the hunter about how I didn't hardly sleep all night the night before, and how little I thought of an ass whippin, and how when I set my mind to finishing something it usually got done.....

A couple years back a buddy of mine gave me one of those bear killing plott dogs. My idea in taking that hound was to see if he'd run with my dogs and help provide a little more teeth action when needed. Only seen one bear stay on the ground with those dogs since I had the plott dog, and that bear had a leg shot out from under it and couldn't climb--not that it didn't try, but three or four dogs would pul it out when it did try.

But like they say, you gotta love it and we do (my hounds and I).

Keep'em treed,
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