A Lost Sport on the Comeback

[Rookie]

Ike you are a little tender if you think your being attacked because some one dosn't agree with your preaching.

[mnb&t]

Oh I get it I,m stupid if I don't own a snowmoblie four wheeler and a $25,000 dollar rig so I can run cat's. Any one who lives in NE is the dumb ass

well i wasnt calling you stupid in the first response. i was making a JOKE, but it seems your last post and the one about houndsmen not having a pot to piss in has showed your intelligence and maturity level.

i dont have a snowmobile or a $25,000 pickup. my hunting equipment i take hound hunting is worth more than my truck.

thats a pretty broad statement saying everyone in nebraska is a dumbass. i wish you would come on down and say it face to face with me or any other houndsmen ive ever hunted with. where you from anyways?

happy hunting, matt.

[Yaak attack]

I hope you don't feel that way about wolves, Ike.

[Rookie]

yeah and i thought stupid people couldnt turn on a computer,

mnb&t I'm in Montana you blatenly called me stupid cause I don't agree with how much money it takes to run hounds. Maybe we should meat in SD and I can give you an ass kicking boy[/quote]

[liontracker]

'Tis the season ...

[Ike]

Ike you are a little tender if you think your being attacked because some one dosn't agree with your preaching.

I've been called alot of things but "being tender" doesn't come around very often! And everybody has a right to their opinion, and I can respect that as long as their opinion doesn't result in them name calling or directing personal attacks on a guy.....If the disagreement is directed at the issue rather than the person!

Merry Christmas,
ike

[Rookie]

Tender You like that !! My point is we can't put dollar sign's on any of our hunting.

[little bit]

ike this is little bit just got home from the basin tuesday you guys have some cold there. about the sheep and lion problem what should we do about it, its a crock of shit but we are the only ones that might make a difference if we can figure it out, how to approach it. sorry to here about the lion decline there it the basin. we have alot of cats here in the oquirr mt thank god for the collar, so they cant kill them. i will pass a lion track if it not a big tom to run a bober. the bober hunt is geting good around here we have about two feet of snow in my front yard, it good for running bob cats but not good for geting around. if someone figures out the approach to the sheep and lion problem let me know and you will have my full support.

[stacey robeson]

there are kids on this site like my little brothers and such I think people need to keep that in mind because the things that get said on here don't just stay on here.

[black eye]

Ike and little bit,
Just a splash of cool info, I talked with the dwr at one of the bear rac meetings, that lion study on the oquirr has proved that lions can and have been living side by side with the transplanted sheep with almost with no depredation. There was one lion a few years back that was taken out but since then noting. I hope they use this info, as the new cougar management plan is being drafted this year. I was told clint meecham (who has assisted with the lion study on the monroe mt) , byron bateman, and earnie millgate will be on that commitee. All three are old time houndsmen and very well know the history and decline of our lion population in utah. Bottom line as long as the predator management plan is implemented on any lion units the lion population has no chance. The truth about big horn sheep is there has been more die because of illness from contact with domestic sheep than lions. We can only hope for the best.

[Ike]

Thanks for the input black eye, and I do hope any new information may help the lions on the sheep units. However, there has been plenty of documentation of sheep predation by lions on the units out here, like on BearTop, Sheep Creek and along the Green River. The biologists and game managers here have watched and lived with that predation for over twenty years, and I doubt like heck that they'll let any old houndsman or biologists from another area tell them they haven't watched and witnessed the decline of the sheep population in areas where lions live. As we speak, they are removing lions off the southern end of the Wasatch for a upcoming sheep transplant, which at one time was the heart of the lion migration from the Strawberry Valley east into Avintiquin, Anthro, Nine Mile, Hill Creek, the Book Cliffs and beyond which will take a toll on another lion population......

Some of those super toms cross from state to state let alone unit to unit, and those are the ones that pop out every now and then and some lucky dogger jumps on top of their track and kills them. It's kinda funny to me how a lion may travel a thousand miles safely in rock piles like I just spoke about and not have any conflict, then cross one road with snow cover and choose to layup close to it and he's dead! Of course the hounddogger then sees himself as a great lion catcher and many many times doesn't have a clue how lucky he was.............

keep'em treed and may some of those old big toms live on............
ike

[old bess]

So Rookie everyone from Ne is a .. dumb ass was it? That is a pretty bold statement their big shooter. I just doubt you have ever been to Ne. If you have then you met the wrong people. If you have a problem with something someone says that is fine but there is no need to attack the rest of us that live here. I have never been to Montana but I hear it is a fine state. You dont hear me running around bashing the people that live in it. Do the rest of us a favor and quit showing your ignorance. It is pretty low and shows no Character to sit ther and talk a load of crap about people you have never met from behind a keyboard.

[Rookie]

Old bess don't believe I said one word to you. I reffered to mnb&t who called me studit then you call me ignorant but some how all of that is OK. You use your key board and that's OK Maybe the ones who should grow up is you boy's. I never called any one any names till mnb&t called me stupid. I'm sure your a friend of his. You boy's have a good life Good by

[Al Vallejo]

Funny you guys hit this topic. I make my living hunting bighorns and mtn lion.

Ike was making a good point, maybe a little exaggeration on costs but not far off. If you already have some of the gear and only hunt as a hobby, then yes it can be a poor mans sport and you might catch an occasional cat.

If you are going to hunt professionally, then it will cost. We have several thousand acres that we manage the big game on, and lion hunting is one of the tools we use. We have country that is rugged enough that we don't ever have a chance of depleting the lion population, but they sure hurt our deer and sheep herds. Right now we have 4 of us houndsmen working our ranches and have a quota of 54 cats for this area, we won't come close to filling it.

I noticed 4 new trucks with dog boxes in the area, all seem to be from the western slope of Colorado, must be snowed out over there.

Good hunting,

Al

[pat_kemp]

Bout time someone else posts on here not just to argue or call people names but to actually talk about the topic, thanks Alvallejo.
Pat