Plott guys only

[Brindle]

I have hunted all breeds of dog and hunted all over the country and the only thing you will see in my dog box is a whole lot of brindle they work for me they have the nose, the grit, the speed, the determination, and most important the brains. so for me if it aint plott its all for not

[norcalkemmer]

good. I think it is a smart move to find what works for you. when i got back in hunting i decided to go with walkers and kemmers. they have enough brains and grit to get shit done. my plotts were good dogs but i never could keep one alive longer then three years old.

[PLOTT88]

good. I think it is a smart move to find what works for you. when i got back in hunting i decided to go with walkers and kemmers. they have enough brains and grit to get shit done. my plotts were good dogs but i never could keep one alive longer then three years old.

That goes to show what kind of handler you are!!!!! I am glad you switched because you are not worthy of the breed. A plott dog deserves better!!!!

[norcalkemmer]

so since you know me so well please inlighten me. I don't know how the country in your neck of the woods is but it's real brushy her so you get lots of mean bears wanting to stay on the ground and fight, and yes plott88 even kill dogs . sometimes when you get to them it's already to late and they have been killed so how does that reflect what kind of handler i am? you know what your problem is? your a dipshit. you know I'm glad to atleast say the "houndsmen on here that are from my area are some stand up guys as far as i can tell. I wanna thank all the houndsmen from California for being some of the most mature people on here. i's nice to know that there are some "adults" on here, and not just people that know it all, have the best dogs, kill the biggest toms, hunts the best breed of dogs, drives the best truck, has the hottest girlfriend, best kids,better job,makes more money. did i miss any? too many guys on here that think they are a houndmen, and don't know how to interact with others. If you just wanna argue with someone about dogs please do it with someone else. there are plenty of people on here that will play the name calling,my dogs better then yours game with you.

good. I think it is a smart move to find what works for you. when i got back in hunting i decided to go with walkers and kemmers. they have enough brains and grit to get shit done. my plotts were good dogs but i never could keep one alive longer then three years old.

That goes to show what kind of handler you are!!!!! I am glad you switched because you are not worthy of the breed. A plott dog deserves better!!!!

[PLOTT88]

If you were not looking for a fight why you posting on a topic that says "plott guys only". Also you did not clarify why you couldn't keep a plott for more than three years. And last it sounds like you don't want a dog that can catch a bear so you settle for one that would chase a bear at a distance and if it treed hurray!!! I read my post a couple times and did not see where I called any names as I will point out that you did. So who is the adult here? I am sorry if the truth hurts you in some way. But at some point in your life you are going to have to realize people are not going to tell you what you want to hear just to protect your feelings. And finally if you are going give up on a breed for doing what they are bred for then you are not deserving of breed just as I stated before!!So good luck to you. And thanks again!

[larry]

Guess I'm walking straight into your trap here Larry, but some thoughts came into my not to bright head...
All these breed dicussions looks somewhat simmilar to some other discussions going on in the rest of our lifes. If a gay drives a Chevy, - Try convinsing him to buy a Ford if the Chevy works for him..... I use a Marlin 1895 GG in 450M when I'm hunting for big game and some of my friends have tried convinsing me that other guns are better, but the only thing I'm going to change it for, is another one just like it!

I'm truely impressed with the things you "Plott guys" tell about your hounds and I believe what you say. So if I'm ever blessed enough to save up some money, I'll put an offer on here to see if anyone of you would take a green Norwegian out in the woods with your Plotts, so I could see for my self how these dogs work. I'm betting it would be a blast.



Hans

No trap here Hans, just an experiment.

I would have to say though that there are definately more gays driving fords than chevy's

[norcalkemmer]

, like i said, some guys. I don't know how your dogs hunt and I'm sure you don't know how mine hunt, so how do you know they are afraid to grab? oh thats right walkers as a whole breed huh? your right plotts have grit they will grab but sorry to inform you but so will lots of other dogs. does that mean they are the best also? i think a dog that can catch and have the brains the put that animal in a tree or stop it and be able to do it all with out getting killed is by far a better dog then one just runs in gung ho and gets all chewed up. I'm not a very rich man so i try to cut out all the vet bills. so i guess if I'm not "worthy" of a plott then thats just fine cause my "scaredy cat dogs suit me fine. one of these days though i hope i could be as lucky as you plott88 and know my shit and be able to finally have some good dogs. maybe you can show me the way I'm just a young grasshopper. p.s. by the way I'm sorry for the "dipshit". and if you wanna try some good brindle dogs i can hook you up with a kemmer dog they come in brindle, have just as much grit as any plott dog and has the brains to stay alive. just let me know I'll give you one. Gary

[Smiley]

Forgive me I am on an ambien high right now before i go to bed. ,
Norcall as I personaly see it it breaks down to this usable inteligence with desire both need to be in extreme measures to have a TOP dog
Sop many people use an excuse as to why they do not want a dog that will get in a bit and just be all over that bears shit , it is a dangerous place to be obviously but first off that desire to be there to take on this beast has to overule everything else but while this dog id doing this the inteligence part is trying to keep body parts in chech to kee from getting damaged and in position to do damage . It is a game a dance of sorts can thos dogs stop that bear from doing something , in my opinion no not really most of the time but they can make him change his decisions and when they change his thinking it will be more in favor of the dogs to catch him. . Most dog breeds and strains of all breeds do not have a good percentage of top shelf beardogs turn out , but when you go to a persons home and go on a hunt and see in the woods he has 3 or 4 top dogs it opens your eyes and to see that person do it a couple years later with different dog makes you think that what we are told that these top dogs do not come around very often and that you really cannot breed for them for consistantcy . well it can be and is being done by a few people and looks like others in off breeds are trying also. have a good one if yiou want to send a superstar my way I will give you my address. Shane

[larry]

Forgive me I am on an ambien high right now before i go to bed. ,
Norcall as I personaly see it it breaks down to this usable inteligence with desire both need to be in extreme measures to have a TOP dog
Sop many people use an excuse as to why they do not want a dog that will get in a bit and just be all over that bears shit , it is a dangerous place to be obviously but first off that desire to be there to take on this beast has to overule everything else but while this dog id doing this the inteligence part is trying to keep body parts in chech to kee from getting damaged and in position to do damage . It is a game a dance of sorts can thos dogs stop that bear from doing something , in my opinion no not really most of the time but they can make him change his decisions and when they change his thinking it will be more in favor of the dogs to catch him. . Most dog breeds and strains of all breeds do not have a good percentage of top shelf beardogs turn out , but when you go to a persons home and go on a hunt and see in the woods he has 3 or 4 top dogs it opens your eyes and to see that person do it a couple years later with different dog makes you think that what we are told that these top dogs do not come around very often and that you really cannot breed for them for consistantcy . well it can be and is being done by a few people and looks like others in off breeds are trying also. have a good one if yiou want to send a superstar my way I will give you my address. Shane

Where/who had these dogs you're talking about Shane?

[Lynxhunter]

Hm, guess that a instead of a u made a lot of difference.... NOT intentional, just beeing somewhat when it comes to writing...

Hans

[Nolte]

OK Shane, I'll bite. I would take a lot more stock in the guy you're talking about than anything that is written on a message board. Good dogs impress me, not someone talking about them. Most times if I've heard a lot about a dog, it doesn't live up to the hype in person.

I know guys who have 2-3 top dogs that are white, black, blue, but they will all tell you that 1 of those is the best. Pull that one out and it's just not the same level.

The one thing that these guys usually have in common is that they hunt a LOT and they get rid of the junk. It's no big secret, but most guys (me included) don't/cant put in the time or have that drive to do it. So I just settle for the good ones when they come and clena out the ones that aren't working, it's just my evaluation period is longer.

I've said this time and again, but you've first got to start them, then catch up to them, then convince them to stop/tree. In that order. I don't know why you plott guys get hung up on the last one first, all the time. Vet Bills and Scars, don't impress me but dogs that can hunt every day, stay caught and grind on tough tracks do. If I saw people doing much better than me with all brindle, I'd have some but I don't see it in my neck of the woods. If anything it's the opposite.

[Smiley]

Nolte I feel the same way if i saw dogs getting it done better or more consistant I would go that route .
It is obvious that you have to find and start a track in order to jump and bay tree an animal , now there are two a few ways of thinking here that people define as a beardog one is the dog that seems to start the roughest tracks ( no matter what he does latter comes back to the truck ect... ) two the dog that is allways in the lead ( no matter he is 30 feet away when the bear stops but as long as he is first that crosses the road or ridge he is a beardog ) third one that will bite a bear no matter if that dog will tree or start a track ect....
All " PLOTT " guys I know just take the first two for granted and feel that being able to put pressure and stick ( even after having been hurt) will continue being a beardog and not become a chearleader . I do not mean go in a grab and hold just put hard pressure understanding what type bear it is on and getting in there when opportunity arises .
There are different bears some can be chased and caught on the ground and put up some fight then tree or bay and then you have the ones that will try to single out dogs and run them down , it is my opinion that dogs can tell the difference ( not all dogs ) and that many dogs that have been seen grabbing a bear will never put the pressure on a bear like that to get it stopped but and this is where i define a TOP dog he will be as close as possible and will get to that beaR WHEN THE OPPORTUNITY arises . mhe will stick with that bear till he is spent and I do not expect that dog to get mauled but if he is putting hard pressure he will get caught from time to time .
I have seen dog that looked great and seemed to be all over the bear and worked that bear ferociously but never got closer than 10 feet but because he was so active and sounded so good the guys said "now that is a bear dog" that bear was just walking along paying no heed , it was my dog but it was no bear dog he was a good dog as he was all ways there but he would not put enough pressure on the tough bears. I seen him grab many bears try to yank them off a tree but if that bear would run him down he would not try to get to the bear and to me a BEAR DOG will allways be looking for that opportunity to grab or hit that bear it has the desire to do it as long as it is physically able to . Atleast that is my definition and most of the "PLOTT GUYS" I know , I am sure i left some stuff out but that good enough for a start.

[onalimb]

I've got some dogs with scars, and I have some that have been to the vet. And I've done a lot of stitching on my own too. I can say the times things like that have happened it was in the thick brush, and not the wide open, and if it did happen in the wide open I would assume there was another in their way when they turned to move.
There are more one dog bear packs that go to the vets, than dogs out of 4 beardog packs. I have watched dogs save eachother numerous times, and no matter what the breed, if you have a pack that work together you shouldn't be wearing out the road to the vets. There's one old B&T that made an impression on me, that will always last, and one of my favorites was a cross bred Walker/Plott.
I could not build a pack of this and that and hope to have a breeding program. I hate to hear the sounds of a dog getting hurt from doing what I asked of them. I hate to hear of a dog getting hurt because the others near him/her wouldn't help save them.
I would hunt three alike before I ran 6 that acted different. Having a one dog bearpack is a great thing, until they need help and don't have it. Plotts, Walkers, Blueticks, Redbones, English, Curs, or any cross should belong to a pack. This is an international board I know, but we can do nothing but speak of what we've seen in our own areas.
I have more respect for the men that will drive in the mountains with three dogs, "OF ANY BREED" that are all know to be the real deal, than I'll ever have with someone that carries ten, and dumps them all everytime, and gives everyone of them the title of BEARDOG. It's not just a Plott thing, it's a consistancy thing. I tried staying in B&T's years ago and couldn't get it done, tried the same with Walkers. I know, I know..... there are those out there that have successfull programs that are the real deal. I didn't want one of everything like I said. I didn't want to buy a brick of 22 bullets, and I didn't want to spend my younger years lying to myself about what a dog was or wasn't. I found the Plott dog. They have worked for me, I have friends that run others that get it done, and a great Plott would do them no good, since they are dedicated to the breed that has worked for them. I'm not changing horses in the middle of the stream, unless the one I change to is passing mine.
I like to poke fun, and I'm known for it. The guys I like to poke fun at, would never want a smoking pack of "Whatever" breed, for the simple fact they are full of hot air when it comes to giving credit where credit is due, and admitting to themselves not everything trees, and you better have enough in your sack to back your dogs up, or you don't deserve to hunt with them.

[norcalkemmer]

I agree with you, well said.

[bearcrplotts]

Norcalkemmer. I did state a few facts.

I hunt plotts and I am proud of it. And yes I think they are the best breed for the game I hunt.

I hunt bears and cats. I don't hunt squirrels and rabbits so my dogs are bred for the game I hunt.

there are average, good and great bear dogs in every breed.

This is a fact in all breeds.

Plotts will have more bear dogs on the good and great end of the spectrum than any other breed, hands down.

This one speaks for itself. You may call it an opinion but I state it as a fact due to history and breeding.

Some of these dogs have never seen, and may never see a bear. But, if you looked at the lineage of those dogs what would you find not very far back? BEAR DOGS, and not just average bear dogs, great bear dogs.

I am not calling these dogs beardogs. I am stating the fact that they are the result of beardogs.

there is not another breed that has the HISTORY of a BEAR DOG than the PLOTT.

This is also a fact.


You said.

don't you realize people are going to use what they like and what works for them?

Maybe you took my post too seriously. I did not and never have tried to push what I hunt on to other hunters. You could hunt labradoodles for all I care and more power to ya if that suits ya. I don't care what anybody hunts. It's their choice.

they are just like most of the other breeds, they have good dogs as well as shitty ones.

This is a true statement for all breeds. All breeds have culls. The issue is and always be the variation in opinion of what a cull is. This in itself is a whole different topic but again I dont care what anybody else hunts.

oh thats right walkers as a whole breed huh?

I'm not sure if this was aimed at me. But as I said there are average good and great dogs in every breed. To make a statement that any single breed, wheter it was walkers or kemmer curs, could not produce some quality dogs would be just plain ignorant.

I have hunted California a few times myself and plan on going back. Having a bear bayed in a patch of manzanita is bad ass. I have video of a turn out in a huge canyon of manzanita. When we turned loose some of the dogs went on top of it for 20 yards or so like the were walking on water and fell through. You can see a bear on the run the whole time in a patch of that shit without ever seeing the bear. And when they catch one in manzanita it's like a small patch of it comes alive. There are mean bears there just as there are anywhere else. We spent most of the night of Thanksgiving there once in my wall tent with some ACE and a staple gun after a bay up from morning until dusk until we could get it dealt with on the ground. Another trip there I got dogs ate up bad, they treed this one, one real bad, and after a $1200 vet bill she did not make the trip home with us. When I started hunting dogs I was taught it was not a sport for the weak at heart. When it comes down to it, it's a bloodsport. Shit will happen that you don't like. And you'll have to do shit you don't like. And you will only get out of it what you put into it.
Like you said.

I think if you are happy with your dogs and they catch you game them you must have made the right choice

And I agree.

LIke I said before I dont care what anybody hunts, it's not my business.
Chris Leyden