suppoprt oregon hound hunting

[mike martell]

i'm putting this under the general forum. if i did it under the legislative issues no one would read it. i have started a grass roots campaign against odfw. i have been contacting my elected officials in salem to tell them i'm not putting up with the decision making of those in power. odfw has spent a ton of tax payer money to slaughter lions in several target areas of the state. they used some of our very own to do this. killing females and kittens, the thing that pisses me off is 1. the use of tax dollars 2. some dog men were paid to help destroy themselves.i don't need to mention your names but thank you from the bottom of my heart! isn't killing killing? isnt hound hunting, hound hunting?we as sportsmen can't even pursue a lion without recourse of the law. now odfw has authorized some select dog men to kill off a bunch of lion to meet management objectives.this is just one aspect of my bitch. next you see for the last two years i have put in for a spring bear tag and guess what, i have no luck drawing.each year odfw authorizes usda, private contractors to bait and cable snare hundreds of black bears on private timber lands. you can make the argument that the timber companies own the land. who owns the animals? when i asked ron anglin administrator of odfw why, he stated because we as sportsmen are just that sportsmen. when i asked him what the hell that meant. his words. sportsmen don't meet management objectives. translation. we select harvest. i asked him about the snared sows with cubs, his answer, meeting management objective.i told ron anglin that we as sportsmen kill a sow with cubs we would go to jail. his answer management objectives.i will not let the self proclaimed management experts get away with this. on may 13th. at 3 pm. in salem i have a meeting with state senator fred girod, and rep. sherri sprenger. oh yes the big kahuna ron said mike be careful with this you could lose your hunting. i said ron i have no hunting.if this outrages you as it has me contact fred girod state senator, rep. sherri sprenger. gov kulongoski. all you have to do is google each name go to the link below the picture and click on to e-mail. send them your dissatisfaction grievance. i will defeat these bums in power. it would be nice to have a little support. those on here that agree with this do something.kissing the odfw ass ain't going to get your dog hunting back. as long as those that prostitute themselves out to odfw, they sure don't need you.for those that favor this don't bother sending me a p.m or even defending your side. i really don't give a damn about what you think or say.it is my ass at the state capitol on a regular basis fighting for hound hunting. not you

[LDcloud]

Mike is right ! We need to stand to gethier and let are voice be heard. As long as we sit and do nothing we will get nothing . Look at the tree huggers they stand together and make changes not good ones but changes. Thanks Mike for fighting a battle most of us are to cowerdly to do. Does any one want are hunting rights back and it so what would you be willing to do???????????????????

[mike martell]

thanks larry. this is a hard matter. in speaking with ron anglin with odfw he has told me point blank he intended to remove as many cougar as necessary to keep his bread and butter going this being elk and deer tag revenues.he also stated he would use tax money to do this the next time as well. this is his words not mine. nowhere did i hear the man say gee i like you dog hunters and will see to it we use sportsmen hunters instead of our select guns to get the job done. this was instigated by the oregon hunters association on behalf of the departments inability to manage a more valued resource being deer and elk.personally i value the predator's more than the deer and elk, that being cougars. 15 YEARS OR THIS DECEMBER 1 2009 MARKS THE ANNIVERSARY OF THE LOSS OF OUR HOUND HUNTING. IF YOU ARE THINKING THE DEPARTMENT LIKE'S YOU AND WANT'S YOU BACK IN THE WOODS YOU ARE FROM ANOTHER PLANET. HEY DON'T BELIEVE ME. TRY ROADING YOUR DOGS ON A GRAVEL ROAD AND SEE IF THEY (OSP)DON'T CITE YOU FOR THE BIRD NESTING LAW!DESIGNED EXCLUSIVELY FOR THOSE THAT OWN AND HUNT HOUNDS IN OREGON. EXEMPTING ALL THE FOLKS WHO FREQUENT THE FOREST WITH THERE LABS, AND OTHER MIX BREEDS. YOU KNOW THE ONE'S THAT DRIVE THE SUBARU WAGONS! A LAW IS A LAW. BUT IT IS FOR NOTHING OTHER THAN ODFW CONTROLLING ANOTHER ASPECT OF OUR HUNTING.TIME TO STEP UP AND FIGHT BACK!

[LDcloud]

Well lets maybe meet half way and have a spiecal draw in in the problem units. and that wont cost us tax $ we dont have .every thing gets checked in. and shows good faith on bolth sides. ther doing it with deer and elk thats one reason for the draw tags. That way we all win, we get to hunt and the state saves $.

[LDcloud]

Than that way the state gets the draw $ and the purchase of the tag to. THATS A WIN WIN BOLTH SIDES

[mike martell]

larry. this would not be a half bad idea. don't you agree when a guy puts in for a tag for two years and can't draw one, then you see the department issue unlimited tags for the timber companies is just wrong. this is the straw that broke the camels back. can't these greedy people even give us some bread crumbs?

[mike martell]

appears these people want it all. wouldn't it be nice to have a year long training season like so many states? what excuse does odfw render? how about this. harassing a pregnant racoon or worse yet the offspring. this is the reason for the bird nesting law and protection of our fur bearing mammals. a friend just pointed this fact out to me. what about the late season deer and elk hunts for agricultural protection. think those cow's and doe's aren't carrying a fetus? again this is different why? this is to benefit the timber companies the same folks who own odfw. again there are those that will argue that pointing this out will only reduce our hunting oppertunities in oregon. if you favor the taking of this type of animal you aren't a sportsman. under oregon law sportsmen that take cubs, kittens, fawn's, calve's are subject to penalty of the law.this only applies if you are a sportsman. has nothing to do with special interest.if you have a heart and a pulse you would have no problem agreeing with this. this is messed up people!

[LDcloud]

How many hunting seasons are there during nesting bird season ? But odwf get $ for it so its ok. What about the farmers running the cattle on blm land? Does that effect nesting birds? im not aposed to any of it but with all sayed y nesting bird season. the last thing i want to see is any one lose more rights. but dont sigle out good people like they are. I would like are state to use there resorces and make $ in steed of spending it . Whats good for the goose is good for the gander. Nothing is fair in life but it shouldnt be this lop sided.

[WALKERMAN]

Well I agree with every thing said here but I also was talking with a friend about this I was looking some old OHA magazines from 2008 that oha donaited over $880,0000.00 dollars to the odfw for studies of some strange things like the study of prong horn on their winter migration at the malheur refuge and I also read a artical about them at OHA meeting with ODFW about their up and coming budget they need to get from tax payers I dont know about the rest of you but I was not invited to that meeting I guess they come up with a number and they just give us a bill like you get from a night out with the wife and kids but at least there you get invited

[Curtis Wilcox]

Mike,If I can be of help in any way please let me know.Hope to see you in Canby the end of May.If You would present this at the convention will make sure You are given time. This needs to be disscussed again.Curt Wilcox 541 258 5468

[LDcloud]

The OHA is a news letter of the ODFW . Alls that mag is a P.R. for odfw they are basical one in the same . The dont fight for are rights to hunt. and they buy land for ther hunting members but i never got to hunt the land did you ?

[LDcloud]

I will be ther to mike and i spoke to a fellow houndsman and he will be ther in may to so that make 3 of us that feel the same way and is very important to us . Maybe we can get more and do something. THE MORE SUPPORT WE GET THE MORE . THE MORE CHANGE WE CAN MAKE EVEN IF ITS A BABY STEP ITS A START!!!

[mike martell]

larry, this will be greatly appreciated. we can do anything we set our minds to. it just helps having support.one thing i will address with the legislators is getting back some of our training seasons if nothing else. they got to give us something if they know we are serious. walkerman wrote about the monetary amount donated by oha. i think the number was 88.000 or because i'm not good with figures either 88 g's lol...this is how they got heard, money.curt wilcox my long lost friend how are you? hey i'm thinking we could go somewhere with the information. i'm just not sure about how the 50% that voted to hunt for the state last year at the annual meeting would compromise with us. as you all know we can't even agree on the weather. i would love to have an open debate.especially with odfw. i know i have some answers but surely not enough. all i know for sure is this. i do know i stand alone in salem, so for those that can attend thank you in advance. it can be intimidating as you close the door and there ain't no cheerleading crowd. i really deep down inside believe all the hunters are asking for are the bread crumbs.so far the only complaint that has come thru happens to be from a dog man that got to hunt and get paid to harvest our lions. he say's he doesn't approve of the methods. but did it anyway. sorry if i alienated you. you are either for or against this issue.right now i side on action's speaking louder than words.

[orbowhunter1971]

Hi Mike,

I read your post and I just want to know exactly what you are trying to get out of your campaign to overthrow Fish and Wildlife decision makers.

In other words, what are your solutions to the problems you have mentioned above. I think that the lawmakers will understand the gripes and probably heard them over and over, but it seems that without alternatives it may fall on deaf ears.

Good luck in Salem, especially with State Sen. Girad(R), he has an excellant record voting against the environmentalists

[RandTMcKnight]

I feel the same way they have a quota every year for cougar and bear and it is rarely met if they opened it up to houndsmen it would generate money instead of spending money!!! Anything I can do to help let me know and I will call my state rep.


Robert McKnight-541-891-0236