Lead Loud, WHeat Wood Somebody PLEASE help!

[bluedawgman]

I am needing some help. For the life of me I am unable to prove that this line of dog was ever any good, other than some people bumping there gums about what this dog did or a friend of a friend ever said one of them did...I am attempting to prove to a buddy of mine in Mississippi that these where a great lined of dogs but I don't have anything that I can point them to. Need some help fellow blue tickers.. Give me something I can show on paper to my buddy. Who has the best of this old blood in the country?

Like my Hounds the Way I Like'em,

Big Blue Attitude

[CDH]

Look at this website http://www.chisum-trail.com/

[Liz ODell]

I don't know too much about the line but I had a great granddaughter of his that was an awesome dog, big game, varmints and coons. Thats about as much as I can help you, Tiny and Chawn at the Chisum Trail site can tell you way more about them.

[bluedawgman]

All trails on the line seem to run back to chisum trail. Do they have anykind of a proformance record regarding those dogs? How have they done in competition? Seems like there is always somebody kicking a$$ and taking names in every area, Just trying to put something together for a buddy of mine in Mississippi to prove the line is still alive and thriving, he claims that it never really thrived in the first Place. I will get ahold of Shawn and see what he has to say.

Thanks

[driftwood blue]

just a few years back Tiny and Chawn were here in Kansas for a visit and hunt.. ol Rebel had a case of kennel cough.. we went hunting without him... Boone done a real good job on the first one and about the time they hit the tree Rebel was there too (slipped a tight collar) so we just hunted him the rest of the evening.. those hounds of Tiny and Chawn's are the real deal.... line bred from Rankin's Lead. Tiny or Chawn could probably tell where the concentration of that stock in the east is.
a good many years back I got to see Lead in Arkansas and I would say that the tradition carries on.
John Vanderbeck had some out of Lead----Beauty and Force... hunted with them several times and they were cooners too.

[bluedawgman]

I have a grandson and a granddaughter of Leads, and I am considering crossing them back to one another. Both are very houndy type blues, real throw back old school looking dogs. I was looking for maybe a bit more diversity in the Geen Pool, my buddy seems to think I am crazy becasue he says I am taking the blood to close.

decissions decissions

[driftwood blue]

too close? just do a little research on what has produced..

if you can, get a copy of Guy Ormiston's book- "New Guide to Breeding Old Fashioned Working Dogs" it is well worth the price and is sure in line with what you are thinking.

one thing sure you will never know if you do not do it.

[bluedawgman]

That is what I am talking about...I can't find anything they have produced..hate to spend my my time on this loud blood just waistin time when I could be doing something and going somewhere in the hounds.


Help, is it just producing a look or a hunting dog. What exactly are they producing

[calblu]

Have you checked out this thread on the UKC board?
http://forums.ukcdogs.com/showthread.ph ... did=261976

That might give you a little more info, answer some of your questions, and give you some other people to contact about this breeding.

[bearman]

That is what I am talking about...I can't find anything they have produced..hate to spend my my time on this loud blood just waistin time when I could be doing something and going somewhere in the hounds.

LOL......... HATE TO SEE YOU WASTE YOUR TIME

[bluedawgman]

Well I guess I should not be put out...I ask a question and just didn't get the answer I was looking for..I guess this line of dogs really hasn't done anything with regard to preformance. Nor in the woods from what I can tell...Guess I will give these dogs to the guy down the street.

Thanks for everybodies help

[calblu]

If you didn't get the answer you were looking for, then probably one of three things happened.
1. You're asking in the wrong place.
2. Nobody is understanding exactly what it is you're trying to find out that you couldn't find elsewhere.
3. This isn't what you're looking for.

Let's clear some things up. Why are you asking this question on a California board? If you're trying to prove something to a buddy in Mississippi, what does CA have to do with that? I'd bet neither Lead nor Loud ever set foot in this state, and I have yet to meet a houndsman out here who ever hunted with either dog. If neither was a bear dog, probably no houndsman out here would have given a flip about them.
I personally don't think of Lead/Loud as "a line". They were a father and son, plain and simple. I explained my personal opinion about that in the thread on the UKC board in response to an oddly similar inquiry.

How do you define "doing something and going somewhere" in hounds? If that means consistently being in the winners circle of the big hunts, you should probably be checking out the pedigrees of the dogs that are doing that. This is CA and being somebody in hounds out here generally involves bear hunting and bear dogs.

To quote you exactly from your very first post, "I am attempting to prove to a buddy of mine in Mississippi that these where a great lined of dogs...."
I've never owned a dog with a pedigree that was solid Rankin or Wheatwood dogs and I honestly don't think I ever will. I'm not sure it exists anymore, or if it ever did. I've also never made the claim, nor ever will, that this was a "great line of dogs". If you've got the dogs with a pedigree like that, then I guess you've got your work cut out for you. You won't be able to prove anything until you get a few generations on the ground to prove it with. If you're lucky, your first litter will prove to you whether or not you're wasting your time.

If you want to know if these dogs (or line...however you want to see it) were bred for or campaigned in the manner which you're looking for, you'll need to go to someone a lot closer to the source than CA. There are people on the thread on the UKC board who can help you with that.
A P.A.D. is about the only thing I know of on paper to show proof of what Lead and Loud produced that was registered and titled, or not. Beyond that it's word of mouth and pictures, and that's up to you to decide if you want to believe it or not. I've always been under the impression that these dogs were considered to be more along the lines of country coon dogs rather than competition-bred dogs, so a P.A.D. isn't going to be very impressive to someone looking for a World Hunt winner. A line that consistently produces World Hunt competitors isn't going to be of much interest to me for the terrain and style of hunting I do, so maybe that's your answer....

[Liz ODell]

I guess my answer wasn't good enough, or maybe that female wasn't what you were considering to be 'Lead/Loud' bred (she is a great granddaughter of Loud), or maybe I just don't understand your question either? Anyhow, if dogs could win titles in bear or cat hunting that female would have won some...thats my second and best answer I can give you. She did have a son that went to the World Hunt, but I myself am not a competition hunter and I guess we are talking coons here?

[bluedawgman]

You answered my question thanks.