Rigging w/ young hound

bency · Post by **bency** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:11 pm

So my problem is, that i have this young 1 year old hound and hes rigged a few times but now that hes discovered rigging he wount shut up on the rig, or in the box. but before hes been quite and hasnt said a peep till he has rigged the last couple of bear and now to me it seems that hes so excited to be up there or even in the box that he wont shut up and unless i road him. but i want him to be up on the box and not barking the whole time were on the mountain, just when its necessary.
So i thought about putting the shocker on him while hes in the box to shut him up but i dont know if this is a good idea but i definately dont want to put the shocker on him up on the rig.
so is this something thats hes gonna grow out of or is there away to treat this???
thanks mike.

treeing walkers · Post by **treeing walkers** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:38 pm

I put a shocker on any dog that will bark in the box while going down the road. if they are not striking they get bumped on a low level to let 'em know that it is not a good idea to bark in the box. I would not bump 'em on the box though unless they know better. when it starts barking let 'em down and if didn't strike give 'em a bump and put back on the box or use the inside of your box as a punishment meaning that when he starts to bark on top put him in the box and if continues then bump 'em. The dog will start to realize that he should not bark hopefully ?? But if the dog is striking it could be okay to bump him on a low level on the box if he is babbling on the strike pad just to let him know that you don't want him to do that. then when he strikes trash make sure you let him down before correction. but if he strikes target game love him up real good to let him know that is time to bark and its okay. It will take a while but you and him both will get the idea. Just make sure when he is babbling up there bump him on a low level but yet strong enough to make him feel uncomfortable but yet not enough to scare or ruin him, there is a fine line when using them e-collars for training on certain things. start on 1 then work up from there till you get a reaction out of the dog, not a yelping one but an uncomfortable stop barking one. hope this helps you a bit an d good luck on your strike dog.

bency · Post by **bency** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:23 am

thank you,
im trying to head out tomorrow so if i can then i will give this a try.

Onza · Post by **Onza** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:47 am

Mike,

Hows your season going???

Here's another method...

Take your dog out to the mesa at night, you do this at night to increase the likelyhood of hitting coyote tracks and other critters more active at night, be sure it is an area that there is no possibility of hitting a bear track. Drive around and shock that dog when he opens up.

I guess it could be bad for some dogs to get zapped on the box...but the way I see it the better dogs will figure it out, driving around all day with a hound babling on the box willl make you crazy and youll end up driving over bear tracks because you never know when to trust the dog.

I did have one dog that I may have messed up by shocking on the box, I zapped that dude a few times .....after that every time I struck a hot track the dog would lay down on the box...he was a good check dog, but in the wrong way :shock:

AF

Black&TanMan1 · Post by **Black&TanMan1** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 1:32 am

I would put the shocker on him and put him on the box. If he barks out of place, fry his ass. If you dont stop the bullsh!t barking soon the dog will get used to it, and bark all the dam time. I have never seen a dog quit rigging good game , by shocking them when they are out of place. If they do there not the type of dog I want on my box. I dont even use a shock collar, I prefer to use a hot shot so that they understand not to screw me around. Hell I even use it to shut them up in a strike to listen for my start dog to open or to make sure Im not turning in on someonelses race. Their is nothing more irittating to me than to hear a dog on the rig barking or even whinning without a reason.
I have a dog that likes to strike real old tracks, not runable in the least bit. After a couple of these strikes Ill shock him on the box for it. Never has it stopped him from striking a good runable track.
You dont let your pups run shit,do you? Hopefully not. I had a guy tell me he let his young doggs run whatever they want. Said he didnt want to take the drive out of them when they were young by bustin there ass for it. Guess what those dogs are 5 and 6 and still love to run shit. He says he cant figure out why he cant break them. Hummm I wonder why!

bency · Post by **bency** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 1:41 am

No way i dont let my dogs running anything but bear and cats, if its not that then its trash, and they all know better not to run any hooved animals or else they will experience some high voltage.

nkisamo1 · Post by **nkisamo1** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:45 am

Black&TanMan1 wrote:I had a guy tell me he let his young doggs run whatever they want. Said he didnt want to take the drive out of them when they were young by bustin there ass for it. Guess what those dogs are 5 and 6 and still love to run shit. He says he cant figure out why he cant break them. Hummm I wonder why!

I let my pups run trash a time or two until they get use to running tracks. I don't let them do it more than a time or two. I have never had a dog that I couldn't break. I have had some hard headed ones. But I have seen guys that shock their pups every single time they run junk and then not soon after they can't figure out why they won't run anything. For pups I think it is good practice. Just my opinion. I'm not trying to say one way is better than the other. I think there are plusses and minusses to both side. Just thought I would put my two cents in.

treeing walkers · Post by **treeing walkers** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:41 pm

in my opion i would never let a a young dog run trash willing and knowing full well that is what they are doing NO WAY !!!!! You are just causing yourself way more work in the long run. Try and not put your pups in that position to start with, only hunt them where there is target game and not a bunch of trash even if that means setting up feeders or what ever to get the target game top where you hunt. How could you expect your pups to ever run good game and get good at it if they are off running trash all the time ?? Trash doesn't run like the target game you are running and does not have the same habits or smell. Not saying to try and break them at a young age but to not put them in a situation that they have to run junk. I think that method you use is completely ass backwards from what it should be !!!!! JMO

Black&TanMan1 WROTE

: You dont let your pups run shit,do you? Hopefully not. I had a guy tell me he let his young doggs run whatever they want. Said he didnt want to take the drive out of them when they were young by bustin there ass for it. Guess what those dogs are 5 and 6 and still love to run shit. He says he cant figure out why he cant break them. Hummm I wonder why!

I AGREE 100% WITH THIS QUOTE !!!!!!!!

Nolte · Post by **Nolte** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 1:26 pm

I don't get all worked up if young dog runs trash, as long as it runs it good. I get more concerned if it runs it half-assed.

I try to get my pups on the right critters from the get-go. Try being the key word. It seems that if you get a young dog started in the right direction it's a lot easier. I don't get heavy on the correction until after they are running/doing good things. I think it sets them back if they get out and run something (even if it's wrong) and then get blasted for it.

Up on the rig, let the young dog ride around with a finished dog. Watch it and praise the heck out of it when it's barking with Old Ace, and lightly correct it when it's babbling or barking at trash. If it keeps barking at trash, then up the correction. At some point in time (if you've got a dog that will be a real dandy), it's going to be rigging when Old Ace isn't. It's then that you've got to decide if you think it's far along enough to give it a shot at being right without Old Ace's approval. There is only one way to do it, When in doubt put them out. I've seen a lot of races that should have never happened because of the situation, but guys had enough confidence in a dog to give them a shot at getting a critter going.

HoundDawg · Post by **HoundDawg** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 1:52 pm

Nolte,

You sound like Blood 'n Guts. We caught a bear last year and on our way back to the truck a few of the young dogs bounced a moose and started rolling on him.

When we got them gathered up Tony wasn't so much pissed about the junk race, he was more upset because they ran the moose a bit half-assed in his opinion.

And by the way Nolte, I once had an Ace dog that was a piece of ****, so if the dog was barking along with 'Ol Ace, he was in trouble in my truck.

Running trash is never good, but you can sure get an idea of what you got in a young dog by the way he runs a deer or elk.

bluedogs · Post by **bluedogs** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 3:21 pm

i let my pup well when she was a pup run deer 2 times and thats because i for got eather to turn on the shock collar or i forgot to charge it eather ways she got away with it twice the third time she wasnt so lucky. now that she is pretty much broke on running trash i can kinda tell when she is running it she doesnt do it balls to the wall like shes running a cat she nows better then to be doing it so she isnt sure its like she is waiting for somthing to happen most the time she will stop and turn back and come running. now that i say this all i will probly have one heck of a trash race next time out but its all right a little shock theropy does wounders. i now alot of guys are agianst shocking a dog on top of the dog box i'm not i've shocked my dogs on the box when they were pups for strikin cows the way i think of it is if you shock them on the box or on the ground you are shocking them for the same reason the smell if you shock your dog from running it why not shock it from striking it. i now you have to be careful when shocking dogs on the box but i still do it. and i havnt had them associate the shock with striking because if a dog is gonna be a strike dog the natrual instinct to strike a cat or bear is gonna over ride everything else. shoot i have shocked a dog of mine for back tracking and now other guys who have, they turned around and took the track out the right way and i havnt had a problem sence. the natrual instinct to give chase and strike are going to take over if it is a smell that they know is good game.

Melanie Hampton · Post by **Melanie Hampton** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:23 pm

Nolte wrote:I don't get all worked up if young dog runs trash, as long as it runs it good. I get more concerned if it runs it half-assed.

I try to get my pups on the right critters from the get-go. Try being the key word. It seems that if you get a young dog started in the right direction it's a lot easier. I don't get heavy on the correction until after they are running/doing good things. I think it sets them back if they get out and run something (even if it's wrong) and then get blasted for it.

Up on the rig, let the young dog ride around with a finished dog. Watch it and praise the heck out of it when it's barking with Old Ace, and lightly correct it when it's babbling or barking at trash. If it keeps barking at trash, then up the correction. At some point in time (if you've got a dog that will be a real dandy), it's going to be rigging when Old Ace isn't. It's then that you've got to decide if you think it's far along enough to give it a shot at being right without Old Ace's approval. There is only one way to do it, When in doubt put them out. I've seen a lot of races that should have never happened because of the situation, but guys had enough confidence in a dog to give them a shot at getting a critter going.

I have to say that I agree with this........

Dan Edwards · Post by **Dan Edwards** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:55 pm

I pretty much let my young dogs bump some trash here and there. I just cant stand it when one dont sizzle a deer. I started losing faith in a young dog that dont act like he wants to catch a deer and just runs it.

Black&TanMan1 · Post by **Black&TanMan1** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 12:31 am

Sounds to me that there are a lot of people who dont mind runnin shit. I personally will cull a dog that runs a deer more than twice after being corrected for it. And by culling I mean done, over, nomore dog. only thing worse than a shit runnin dog is a tree fighter. Do you let your young dogs gett away with that also? Would be a shame to ruin a good tree dog by wiping them at the tree for fighting!

Black&TanMan1 · Post by **Black&TanMan1** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 12:38 am

Blue Dogs Wrote

i now alot of guys are agianst shocking a dog on top of the dog box i'm not i've shocked my dogs on the box when they were pups for strikin cows the way i think of it is if you shock them on the box or on the ground you are shocking them for the same reason the smell if you shock your dog from running it why not shock it from striking it. i now you have to be careful when shocking dogs on the box but i still do it. and i havnt had them associate the shock with striking because if a dog is gonna be a strike dog the natrual instinct to strike a cat or bear is gonna over ride everything else. shoot i have shocked a dog of mine for back tracking and now other guys who have, they turned around and took the track out the right way and i havnt had a problem sence. the natrual instinct to give chase and strike are going to take over if it is a smell that they know is good game.

I agree with 99.9% of this.

Rigging w/ young hound

Rigging w/ young hound

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