Better kill dog
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southernplottman
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Better kill dog
Just wanderin which dogs yuns think is the better kill dog.
Re: Better kill dog
Who are you wanting to kill? can't answer the poll till i know that. now on coyotes the best i've seen have been mixs. maybe a dyed in the wool yote guy has a better answer but i think it varies with where and how you hunt them. i know this is more a scent hound forum but the sight hounds seem to work pretty well at their job.
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Mike Leonard
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Re: Better kill dog
That is what I was wondering but I naturally thought of coon and bobcat. For many years I hunted country that was very void of trees so I caught a lot of both species on the ground and I learned a lot about what a real kill dog is and is not.
First a real kill dog is not a hard fighter on these species. Hard fighters usually get in the way of the kill dog and usually cause a lot of hide damage as well. I had two plotts that I got from Dale Bradenburger one was out of Pioneer slim the other out of Thundering Echo. These dogs were hard tight fighters on big nasty boar coons which in the country I was hunting would range from 20-40 pounds.They seldom ever killed a coon that did not have his belly ripped open and guts pulled out. On bobcat in a willow thicket they would get cut up pretty bad before they got him stretched and then i had to get there quick or once again a lot of sewing was needed to repair the pelt.I had a few other dogs like this and i generally was able to rush to the fight and dispatch the animal with my kill stick and get them back before they ruined it completly.
A kill dog is: I had a large long eared black and tan and he was the vetran of hundreds of battles. When un-aided he could dispatch the largest of boar coons or tom bobcats quickly and effectively by poturing with them and waiting for the excact instant and then he pounced in getting them by the back of the neck in front of the shoulders. He then pushed them down and delivered a powerful bone crushing bite and that was about the end of it. If the coon by chance was in swimming water he would swim out engage the coon and swim around it waiting for the coon that would sort of treat water and rear up like they do to make a half turn and then start to go back the other way and BOOM! he had their whole head in his mouth and they would latch on with feet and he would head for shore. He was a powerful swimmier and once on shore he shooke them loose and then when they hit the ground grab that back of the neck and it was all over but the kicking.He could kill a bobcat much easier than a coon for they are not nearly as tough or as choke resisitant. He would posture leap in from the back flip the bobcat and then nail that neck.
Now if you had other dogs in the battle sometimes it would take him a lot longer because every time he got his hold just right the other dogs would jerk the coon loose. He didn't need any help and as he got older he didn't want any help. He would run silent to get away from the other dogs and then make his kill. If you hunted him alone he was wide open on the track.
He was a real kill dog.
First a real kill dog is not a hard fighter on these species. Hard fighters usually get in the way of the kill dog and usually cause a lot of hide damage as well. I had two plotts that I got from Dale Bradenburger one was out of Pioneer slim the other out of Thundering Echo. These dogs were hard tight fighters on big nasty boar coons which in the country I was hunting would range from 20-40 pounds.They seldom ever killed a coon that did not have his belly ripped open and guts pulled out. On bobcat in a willow thicket they would get cut up pretty bad before they got him stretched and then i had to get there quick or once again a lot of sewing was needed to repair the pelt.I had a few other dogs like this and i generally was able to rush to the fight and dispatch the animal with my kill stick and get them back before they ruined it completly.
A kill dog is: I had a large long eared black and tan and he was the vetran of hundreds of battles. When un-aided he could dispatch the largest of boar coons or tom bobcats quickly and effectively by poturing with them and waiting for the excact instant and then he pounced in getting them by the back of the neck in front of the shoulders. He then pushed them down and delivered a powerful bone crushing bite and that was about the end of it. If the coon by chance was in swimming water he would swim out engage the coon and swim around it waiting for the coon that would sort of treat water and rear up like they do to make a half turn and then start to go back the other way and BOOM! he had their whole head in his mouth and they would latch on with feet and he would head for shore. He was a powerful swimmier and once on shore he shooke them loose and then when they hit the ground grab that back of the neck and it was all over but the kicking.He could kill a bobcat much easier than a coon for they are not nearly as tough or as choke resisitant. He would posture leap in from the back flip the bobcat and then nail that neck.
Now if you had other dogs in the battle sometimes it would take him a lot longer because every time he got his hold just right the other dogs would jerk the coon loose. He didn't need any help and as he got older he didn't want any help. He would run silent to get away from the other dogs and then make his kill. If you hunted him alone he was wide open on the track.
He was a real kill dog.
MIKE LEONARD
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Re: Better kill dog
i can't speak to well for sighthounds in general but my shag is a mediocre kill dog. he's missing the muscle on the left top of his head (born w/o it). he fights cats & fox until he can get athroat hold & strangle them. the problem w/ the fighting is that he grabs them & throws them to make his opening. they all wind up beat up in some way.
he caught this 20# boar coon last winter, all that could be seen was 2 tooth holes on the back leg and a small tear on the neck. i was planning on eating it but when i skinned it the carcass looked like it had been beat w/ the claw side of a claw hammer.
he caught this 20# boar coon last winter, all that could be seen was 2 tooth holes on the back leg and a small tear on the neck. i was planning on eating it but when i skinned it the carcass looked like it had been beat w/ the claw side of a claw hammer.