Cold nosed dogs

[Ike]

Mike- I agree that most hounds posses approximately the same amount of scent receptor cells. The difference, is in the amount of drive and perseverence that the individuals posses.

I can buy into that thought as well. Rather than advertising cold nosed hounds maybe those people who do that should be advertising drive, brains and desire?

ike

[festus]

Mike,
Sounds like you got a call from Jeff and Steve LOL.

[pegleg]

I think it is a good idea for any breed of working dog to have to pass a ability test in order to be registered it also keeps individuals from being lost in the cracks so to speak and gives us a basis for selecting pups and stud dogs etc. people piss on about consistence but what do hounds men as a whole do to provide it? everyone has his "strain" and when that starts to dry up or they loose the genetics. they have to start over how many good lines of dogs have been lost in the US? more then has been developed in most countries. why? Because when they get it right they bust their ass to preserve it. by testing their performance. we don't.. look at water races and treeing contest they sure developed otters and tree crazy fools in a short time. so why can't actual big game performance be Improved? It can if people will put their pride and ego's aside to do it will that happen? I doubt it. I would like to see it though.

Liontracker. yes I do prefer bobcats. I've found they are more fun for me. it's more on the dogs to perform. my dogs start their own bobcat tracks and I am just a happy spectator . I don't turn down lion tracks but they can occasionally be hard on me and my horses. as I have to get as close as possible and it sometimes takes considerable time for me to get to them. prosthetics aren't inexpensive and crawling through rocks and cactus on all fours is dehumanizing and hard on the body. so I do try and pick my locations carefully but MY dogs can get very persuasive and I do get drug into situations logical minds would avoid I'm sure.

[liontracker]

The biggest obstacle for us is the game laws. We cannot have competition hunts on wild game in most states. Hell, they are trying to outlaw prairie dog shooting comps!
For a long time now I have been wishing for a lion treeing competition, no kill, just tree 'em and free 'em, and go get another. Most up a tree in three days wins. The left considers that harrassment and inhumane. Will never happen, but would be a lot of fun.

[pegleg]

WHAT ABOUT TEXAS? THERE SHOULD BE A GAME RANCH WE COULD PERSUADE TO ALLOW TRAILING TRIALS ON . MAYBE A LEASE FOR TRAILING RIGHTS? I DON'T KNOW BUT BOBCATS ARE A SMALL INCIDENTEL ON MOST OF THESE RANCHES ESPECIALY THE ONES WITH QUAIL/TURKEY HUNTING IF A HOUND DENELOPMENT CLUB WAS FORMED I'M SURE IT WOULD BE LARGE ENOUGH TO BE EFFECTIVE AND PERHAPS HAVE BI-YEARLY TRIALS ? ANY IDEAS? WOULDN'T SAY MUCH ABOUT A DOGS SNOW TRACKING ABILITY BUT MY HOUNDS THAT PERFORM HERE PERFORM IN COLORADO IN JANUARY

[liontracker]

Big 'N Blue used to run cats on a large lease in Texas. Now they won't let him because the deer hunters scream too loud.

[pegleg]

that's BS I've had hounds run through herds of deer and the deer split then come right back to stare like tourist. maybe a little fee for proving a hound and some stats on fawn kills might turn the tables. in general deer hunters seem to be the least educated hunters. maybe it's the large number of urban deer slayers

[liontracker]

Uneducated is the word!
I've had hounds run a bobcat through a herd of bedded down elk in March and most of the elk never even stood up. Just the ones that were getting run over! LOL

[JDAWG]

good answers all around guys I agree, I dont think its If they can smell it or not alot of the time its if they realize what they are smelling and are willing to give chase. I think there are a ton of variables that come in to play on what holds sent and what doesnt I've seen a dog take a 4 day old lion track that had been in the sun during the day and froze hard at night ( you couldnt hardly see it anymore), and the same dog have trouble with a track from the night before in light fluffy snow. I just think it has a lot to do with conditions.

Liontracker I dont care what kind of conditions that is cold nosed, my dog opened on a 6 day old coon track and I thought that was good.

[az27lion]

most hounds that have made the cut , to stay in anyone pack most likely have the the abilities to smell an old track . How well they take it depends a lot on the paitence of there Hunter.

[cat hntr]

if dogs can all smell the same amount of scent shouldn't people all have about the same sense of smell as each other.i know my brother has a much more sensative nose than i do and from research i have seen on blood hounds it's like they aren't even all the same.i'm not an expert its jmo.

[liontracker]

The same amount of receptor cells- scenting ability is controlled by the brain.

[rosin]

this is some info i posted before on a cold nose thread i found the info on the net thought it was interesting


To gain more respect for your dog's olfactory ability, compare it to a person's nose. Inside the nose of both species are bony scroll-shaped plates, called turbinates, over which air passes. A microscopic view of this organ reveals a thick, spongy membrane that contains most of the scent-detecting cells, as well as the nerves that transport information to the brain. In humans, the area containing these odor analyzers is about one square inch, or the size of a postage stamp. If you could unfold this area in a dog, on the other hand, it may be as large as 60 square inches, or just under the size of a piece of typing paper.
Though the size of this surface varies with the size and length of the dog's nose, even flat-nosed breeds can detect smells far better than people. The following table shows the number of scent receptors in people and several dog breeds.

A dog's brain is also specialized for identifying scents. The percentage of the dog's brain that is devoted to analyzing smells is actually 40 times larger than that of a human! It's been estimated that dogs can identify smells somewhere between 1,000 to 10,000 times better than nasally challenged humans can.

Table: Scent-Detecting Cells in People and Dog Breeds

Species
Number of Scent Receptors

Humans
5 million

Dachshund
125 million

Fox Terrier
147 million

Beagle
225 million

German Shepherd
225 million

Bloodhound
300 million

[Brianshounds]

I think if a hunter wants a dog that is so cold nosed that he can smell where the critter is born at, well good for him but i think what ever workes for you all the better.... i personally have i think hot nosed dogs and still catch dry ground lions every year. and when they strike a bear its hot and i catch it quick.... i like it that way do to the wolves.

[pete richardson]

ive seen two kinds of dogs that i thought were "cold nosed"-
compared to others ive hunted with -
one kind can bark on a track that other dogs cant

good strike dog-

cant always move those tracks fast enuff to be practical -

usually isnt the fastest dog on a fresh track ,


theres a limit to how much of this type dog i need or can use - he may be a little too happy to cold trail. - my limit is higher than some- i apreciate a hound with above average nose-


this kind of thing is true of all dogs or hunters-
for instance most beaglers dont want a dog that cold trails at all

coon hunters might want a dog to keep hunting and ignore older tracks-

"get gone and get treed "
i think if you hunt big game or scarce game - you have to select for colder nosed than average--just to counter whats popular with others using same breed for another purpose -

for example , bearhunters vs the average competition coonhunter


when i say" cold nosed " --i just mean ,colder nosed than average-

ive seen dogs that would open on a 2 day old bobcat track in snow-
conditions is everything , -- in some conditions, cold tracks are minutes old , some conditions they are days old .




the other kind of "cold nosed" dog ive seen-


he may run an older track with good speed that an average dog doesnt appear to smell
thats the dog that i think everybody can use more of
-

he may not be the dog that will open on the oldest track--
need to see him run to realize he has talent , shows in bad conditions -

colder nosed than average , not content just to cold trail-




how would you do a hunt test , ?

i think its a great idea -

only concern i have ,

when you start to select for dogs that fit the rules- - pretty soon you got em .

so the rules need to be GOOD



its easy to select the dog that can open on the oldest track-

does he have best nose, or bark easier ? -

i dont want to compete with coldest nosed hound ever born
- but i want more nose than average .
ive heard the
all dogs have same nose theory -


its hard to say whats nose, whats brains ,whats desire, whats just plain stubborness,

nose is just the term we use - all dogs have only one nose


who counted those scent receptor cells ?