mixed breeds?

[gila_hound_chaser]

Hounds men does any body run german short hair blue tick ect. mix ? and how do they do?

[Brady Davis]

My guess is if they do it was purely accidental

[chilcotin hillbilly]

There is a fellow up in BC that breeds his blue ticks with GSP's strickly for running bear. The cross gives him alot more speed and endurance.

[Mike Leonard]

Some guys raising this cross for speed sled dogs endurance factor. A few have been put in bear packs and worked out ok I guess. I know some say Dave Carlson in Arizona breeds them into hounds and I have seen his video and it sure looks like he has crossed somthing other than hound in to a bunch of them.

I seriously doubt they could do anything that a good hound couldn't do better.

[Big Mike]

I know some old time lion hunters that talk highly of pointer hound crosses. They feel it makes them a little more silent on the trail which they like, which helps for spoiled lions and catchn lions in bluffs.

Here's a picture of one of my dogs. He's is out of old lines of dogs in SW NM. Think he has a little wimeraner(sp) in him!!! He's the dog on the far left

[Brady Davis]

Sounds real sketchy to me....Breeds were developed for a reason.

I agree with mike, I doubt they could do anything a good hound couldnt do!

[bigboarstopper]

Mixing breeds is fairly common in hog doggin. I personally havent owned a purebred anything. My best dog of all time is a catahoula/kemmer cross. But hog doggin and hunting cats is apples and oranges. Hog dogging I think provides alot more room for experimentation depending how you wanna hunt. From small short range terriers to cold nosed long range hounds. I know a guy who hunts with a single rat terrier. The little dog will find and bay huge hogs and the boar will pay little to no attention to it. He quietly sneaks up to the bay and will pop em with his 44 before the hog knows whats happened. My dogs are silent trailers with roughly a 1000 yards of range (I know thanks to gps tracking) and are super catchy once the right ammount of help arrives. Another trait in which I like and is completely unwanted in most hound circles is the duration that my dogs will bay by themselfs. If no help arrives within roughly 3 hours the single dog will quit the bay and come back. Most of californias hog population is on much smaller ranches then of the rest of the country and the use of long range dogs usually ends up with an upset neighbor. So the name of the game is hot trackin with catchy dogs in central california. The rest of my dogs have a combo of catahoula, kemmer, plott and airedale.

[Lil Joes BigGame hounds]

I have one of those Dvae Carlson dogs. She is 1/4 G.S. She is the coldest nosed dog that I have. And by far the best lion hound I own. She doesnt like bears as much but will run them and tree them all the same. She can get around in ledges and rocks like a cat(and she only has a nub for a tail.) She probably can be out done. but not by anything I own I just hope this Nance pup will be able to learn from her and MAYBE out do her.

[Pops]

in my Ben Lilly book, he wrote of birddogs in his pack (some one decided Ben was an idiot and wrote that Ben meant birdsong hounds, but i feel pretty sure Ben knew what he was writing and what he had). remember they did things a little different back then, catching was more important than running. I am firmly convinced that hog gritty dogs will catch more critters faster IF you can get them close enough for their warmer noses to run the track (also you have to accept & be prepared to lose a lot of those rough dogs). unfortunately i lack the financial means to prove it. birddogs are surprisingly rough dogs when used on fur (at least they are on hogs).

[liontracker]

Most of the German bird dogs I have researched were developed as a dual purpose bird/fur dog.

[Mike Leonard]

My guess from this dicertation is that if we want to catch game fast we should deviate from our hard work and hound breeding and blend in some hybred blood of some kind. Is that correct?


Listen: if there is anybody who knows about bird dog crosses it's me. Hell I grew up at a bird dog kenel. Fell in love with hounding and my Dad wouldn't have a thing to do with a hound. Bred my Doc dog who was a pure Mr. Gunsmoke English Pointer onto a Houses's Bawlie walker bitch and I went to hunting with a big male pup out of that cross.To learn more you will have to wait till I finish my book, but I will tell you this .I caught coon, bobcat, badger and mink with that dog. I was a hide hunting fool and he was a fur dog. Would I want some more like him now for lion hunting? NO! I hunted in good thick game country and I never had to run a real old cold track. Why waste that time I thought. Maybe some of you get the logic.

And if your best dogs is a bird dog cross then most likely like our friend down Az. way you have plenty of time and plenty of tracks and you are not running tracks over 12 hours old.

I will shut up and let you whip on me if you like but 40 years of hound hunting have showed me for big game( tree game) you can't beat a real hound. I can't speak for hog hunters cuz I don't know anything about them.The man with the Terrier and snuck in and got his pork is probably smarter than all of us. My friend Pete killed enough hogs to feed the neighborhood in California. He wouldn't dram of running one of his good cat dogs on a porker. He just turned his border collie bitch loose and said. Bobbi go get them pigs! She would go off round up a little bunch and he would sneak in with his lever Winchester 218 Bee and kill the shoats. And leave them old tuff pigs to raise some more eating meat.

[BEAR HUNTER]

I prefer mixed bred dogs. I don't feel like the hound lines out there supply what I'm looking for. I am currently breeding a poodle to a jackrussel. Then will cross this to an old English sheep dog,to a dalmation, and then back to a chihuaha. Then for grit I'm going to trap a chupacabra and breed him to the offspring of that chihuaha. If anyone knows of a good location to set a chupacabra trap let me know. I want a chupacabra cause they can handle the hot climate up here better than bigfoot.

[Pops]

actually the lesson i took from Ben Lilly is to build a pack as a unit w/ different dogs bringing their strength in to make up for other dogs weaknesses. Ben never (in his writing) stated an expectation for every single dog to "do it all." he had hounds to run the cold track, birddogs for the hot track & winding and airedales for bringing the heat (although he eventualy gave up on them i think). this makes sense to me.
the reason you don't have every Marine carrying an M240 MG w/ a M203 grenade launcher attached and an M40 sniper rifle slung across their back is because its more effective to have a TEAM than a group of individuals each shooting for the same goal.
now that i look at it i realize i wasn't clear. i don't mean that i think the hot nosed rough dogs can be more succesful by them selves but that they will boost the effectiveness of the more traditional all hound packs. for that matter i think a good rough lurcher or two in a pack will speed the catch & keep a cat up the tree as well.
but again i am basing this strictly on what i have read from the old timers when they were trying to eradicate the predators and noting the dogs mentioned.

[Mike Leonard]

A couple of things I want to clearify.

On the bird dog deal I wasn't picking on any particular cross or anybody's dog it was a general statement.I am sure some of them are super and can really do the deal. But how often do they reproduce the same kind? If they really did produce somthing that was superior then why wouldn't more bare ground lion hunters be turning to them? I just can't figure that out.

Waycool and B-Dog are both experts when it comes to breeding, training and competing with champion German shorthairs. Bot of these guys do some bare ground lion hunting I know. Why aren't they beating the drum about Shorthair hound crosses, man it would boost their business.



Pops

Which Ben Lilly book are you referring to?

The only Ben Lilly book I have is The Ben Lilly Legend by Frank Dobie.

I do have copy of Ben Lilly's Diary that Wiley Caroll attempted to translate and type out. What a chore reams of hand scribbled notes with dates and such.


But as far as Ben ever writing a book that's new one on me.


Just wondering.

[Brady Davis]

I prefer mixed bred dogs. I don't feel like the hound lines out there supply what I'm looking for. I am currently breeding a poodle to a jackrussel. Then will cross this to an old English sheep dog,to a dalmation, and then back to a chihuaha. Then for grit I'm going to trap a chupacabra and breed him to the offspring of that chihuaha. If anyone knows of a good location to set a chupacabra trap let me know. I want a chupacabra cause they can handle the hot climate up here better than bigfoot.