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Had a good run the other night

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It was a hot and humid day for mid September in Minnesota. Along about dark the fog started filling in the low ground and the temp dropped into the low 70’s, normally the high for this time of year, when I started collaring up dogs and loading them in the box. I kept passing up old Traveler, 9 years old now, as I was getting those young dogs that are at the top of their game and loading them up. I couldn’t take it any more, I turned the old dog loose and he ran to the truck and jumped up and down, waiting for me to help him up. Of course, old Rose, 10 years old, goes everywhere I do so I couldn’t leave her behind.

I know I don’t have any business running those old dogs with the fast pack, but they lasted this long in my kennel because they had something special and I don’t have the heart to leave them behind.

Rabbits are scarce this year in my running grounds, it’s been damn tough to get one up and going lately and they better not loose it. Just the way I like it. I pulled up to the fire pit, emptied the dog box and sat on the tailgate to wait. Think I had 7 dogs in all, but only 3 that I would call jump dogs. Dusty and Faith are young and fast and they get out and go hunting for a hare when you cut them loose, but old Traveler has jumped more hare than the rest combined.

15 minutes of quiet broken only by that dang pup jackin’ around, she’s really trying my patients, when old Traveler throws out his rough old bawl mouth down towards the Leaf river. There’s one there but he’s not sure just yet where it went. Pretty quick Dusty gets in there and his big bawl mouth echoes down the river with Traveler’s, still picking and sorting tracks. Then Dusty lines it out going north and the race is on.

Now it gets interesting. The rest of the pack falls in, and I mean they were screaming. The kind of race that stands your hair on end if you have any hunting blood in your veins at all. North, up along the road, then back along the river and around them pines, then back up through the thick stuff by that old dead jack pine. Hope was always near the front with that high chop, barking every breath. Faith was right with her. She don’t have much voice anymore since she ran that stick through her throat but she was giving it everything she had. The rest were all mixed in with everything from low to high, bawl and chop, all trying to make more music than the rest. This is what gets me by during the week, when I have to go do what I do to keep the bill collectors happy.

They crossed the road way north, better than a quarter mile from were they started, and then headed south, down along the ridge on the east side of the road. Traveler came by way behind. He was out of it already but he wasn’t giving up. Rose was still up with the front runners, but not for much longer. The hare took them south and then back west, all the way to those blow downs back in where the Leaf meets the Crow Wing river, close to a half mile from where they crossed on the north end. Those blow downs always slow the dogs down and this time was no exception. Still, they worked through the tough stuff without a check that lasted more than a few seconds.

It got tougher when the hare made several loops, back and forth and around the same area until it was good and tracked up. Dusty worked his way through all this like he knew just what to do. I heard him coming hard up the back side of that little rise and I got down there just in time to hear him come screaming down off that hill and across the road going east. Hope and Faith flew past right behind him. The rest of the dogs were way behind with no chance of catching up at this point.

The hare made a big circle on the east side of the road and came right back to the same spot he crossed earlier, passing up the slower dogs on the way. Dusty, Hope and Faith hit the road, but this time they turned north up the road. This is a favorite trick of a well educated hare and it works more often than not. The hounds picked their way up the road, but they never did find where the hare left it. Far as I know, it kept going north right up to Canada!
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Riverbottom,

Great Story!

Race sounds very much like a Bobcat race!

Are the Wolves bad in your part of country?

How tall are the Beagles that you use?

Keep the good Tales coming, I sure enjoy reading them and I bet others do as well! Hopefully ole Perk will read this and get motivated to write us all another good Fox Story!

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She'll freeze her ass off up in Canada. Nice story.
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I've had a couple run-ins with wolves but so far no one has gotten hurt. I expect that will change one day, but I'm not going to waste time worrying about it.

I run mostly 15" beagles. I've had a few smaller ones that were pretty good, but on snow every inch helps.
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Riverbottom, if you crossed a little "foxhound" type blood in there, do you think you could still run them hares or not?

Maybe you culd cut it to a 1/4 or so and you might gain a shade size and hopefully still retain the track running ability of them beagles. Just a question, it probably wouldnt work but I like to tinker. Not coyote type hounds either but the more tracky type foxhounds folks have.
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Mr. Dan,

What you are describing is know as the Southeastern Deer Beagle.

They even have a registry up and going.

Their Hounds tend to be 1/4 to 1/3 Beagle balance Walker or Trigg.

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I may be speaking out of place here, but for RiverBottom & where he hunts he'd be taking a big hit in the nose power department by adding in fox hound blood. Make for some nice lookin hounds though :wink:

There's some fox bred beagles down south along the eastern seaboard that are bred to be 17 inch hounds at the shoulder but they pretty much run them in pens exclusively and again..... it would be a compromise in nose power for running hare up north in my opinion, to add that blood.

Better off just breeding bigger northern hare running hounds 8)
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Man RB, very well written, makes me feel I was right beside you.

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Dan, I don't see where I could gain anything but size from the walker dogs, and like NorWester said, there's a good chance of loosing nose power. I know there's some running dogs with nose enough for winter in this country, but I also know they are very few and far between. Hare don't put out near as much scent as bigger game.

Maybe some of them Nance bred walker dogs would help :?:

Don't know if your familiar with treeing walkers, but House's Clint put some of the coldest nosed, fastest Walker dogs on the ground I have ever seen. In fact, they were some of the coldest nosed hounds of any breed I have ever seen and they could flat out fly on a track.

I always thought maybe Clint had a bunch of running walker blood in him. The House dogs before Clint all had big blocky red (or white) heads, hunted close, and were good tree dogs. After Clint they got a LOT faster and wider hunting, and a bunch of Clint's pups had "Coke bottle" heads. They also started coming out with black heads about that time. 'Course, that's all speculation on my part. The papers say they are all Treeing Walker so they must be. All I know is Joe House sure knew how to breed hounds.

Maybe Pete from Vermont will see this and add his two cents. He has crossed beagles with just about every kind of big hound trying to get the perfect snow dog. I think he's hunting dogs now that have beagle/basset/swiss hound (a tall black & tan colored hare hound) in different percentages.

I try to keep a lighter boned, more "aerodynamic" type beagle than your average cottontail dog.
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They can get through snow better and I have a lot less trouble with them freezing things off than I used too. Of course, a giraffe would have trouble getting around in NorWester's country most of the year :D
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Riverbottom, Dusty is sure built the way they all should be in my opinion :wink:
Here's as close to a giraffe as I have so far, in hare hound form anyway :lol: This is Billiam, he's gotta be over 17 inches at the shoulder, maybe 18? He's real young but tries hard. Hasn't shown the kind of nose power I wanna see but he sure is nice to look at :roll:

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Here's his dam, not near as tall but still has lots of space under her belly :wink:

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I figured that would probably be the answer and I completely believe yall. I was just wondeirng about attempting to raise the height to around 19 to 20 inches. Of course there are conformational constraints when tryin to breed dogs and this si probably one of them.
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By the way, them are some gol damn good lookin beagles. They look damn near like the kind I used to run when I was a boy.
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Riverbottom & Norwester,

Beautifull Hounds!

When I was a kid our good friend who was our Banker and exSherriff would take me Rabbit hunting every Sunday morning before Church. He had a pack of Cold blooded Beagles that could drive a Cane Cutter, cold trail like a Potlicker, and tree if a rabbit went into a hollow tree. While his Beagles were around 13 to 15 inches he had one 18 incher. He said finding an 18 inch Pure Beagle was like finding a 12" male appendage....you hear about lots of them but see very few!

Riverbottom, it does seem that the Treedog people have managed to find some Prepotent Hounds that add to their breeds abilities but always manage to change the appearance as well...... sure makes you wonder.

Sure hope that I can make a trip up to run a hare with Riverbottom sometime, am supposed to be in Wis. Deer hunting the 1st week of Nov. if you are not too far will try to look you up!

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I personally dont see where breeding the right foxhounds will hurt you beagles nose at all. Of course being a foxhunter I am a little bias too. I have buddies that start there walker puppies on the outside running rabbits, and I have seen more than one that will cause him to go to hole quick or get him snatched up. If he can drive a rabbit right he will be able frail a grey fox. I have a few that spring of every year seem to try to run rabbits, and do a fair job at it. My grandad used to rabbit hunt his fox hounds some in the winter, and always killed rabbits. I have hunted rabbits, and my dad still hasa few rabbit beagles that get the job done, of course these are cottontails. I really dont think beagles have better noses than most walkers, based on my experience.
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Perk wrote,
I really dont think beagles have better noses than most walkers, based on my experience.
Perk, no doubt you're probably right, which is why I have a hell of a time running hare up here in my opinion. Very few have the nose power needed for the conditions and environment I hunt/run in. That said I just can't imagine the scenario that would entice me to add fox hound blood. To tell the truth and I don't mean this as a slight towards anyone's beagles but I wouldn't add ANY beagle blood either that hasn't been used to hunt hare in conditions at least somewhat similar to this crap I have to hunt in. So that pretty much leaves out anything bred south of Minnesota, northern Michigan maybe or northern Wisconsin perhaps.

Here's a shot of my Commander dog navigating his way thru the swamp, pic was taken near the end of April this year after we got a pretty good dump of snow. Temp was decent for running, humidity was up......but the dogs still couldn't do much.

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