Price of pups

[Bearkiller]

Festus, you got it nailed bud. What line are you pimping out? They must be the best. There are plenty of people out there making money on pups that don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. There aren't very many breeders out there who are honestly breeding how you suggest.

[poser]

Paco, it was good to meet you today. It's always nice to put a name with a face. Hope we didn't keep you and the family too long.

If that cheap pup doesn't turn out....well read the above posts and you'll have your answer as to why. If he does, we'll charge you more next time..... lol

Take care, jason

[mntwalker]

you know as far as this price for pups goes its like a good buddy of mine always says to each his own, or in other words if u are happy with your line and what they produce for you then good enough. The lines I run weren't initially expensive but the time and money in training adds up to quite a bit and I may not have the numberone hounds around but they aren't going to fall out of any race with anybodies dogs either, they will catch, and i think thats what it all boils down too. Good Times

[poser]

mtnwalker, ur "good buddy" is a dumb azz!!!!! Just incase you didn't already know.

Me and my "good buddies" sale our pups for $50.00 to 150.00. We're just tryin to get back some of the shots and dogfood we have into them. Now we don't guarantee these dogs to do anything other then eat and poop. Some work out and some dont.

We dont have the coldest nosed dogs, the grittiest dogs, the fastest track drivin dogs, the best tree dogs or any of the things that you need to catch game. We just get lucky, and were fine with that.

I am happy for the people getting good money for their pups. Alot of people have a ton of time and money invested in them and it is good to see a little return for your hard work and efforts. But it's also crazy to think that you can't get a deal on a pup and catch game. It isn't black and white, it's whatever works for you, and makes you happy. And i guess its depends on who your friends are. To each their own. LOL

Best of luck no matter what you spend!

[BigGameHunter]

Good post poser. I also have a sneeking hunch you guys have a little more going for you than just a little luck. Just a little luck will catch just a little game and you guys seem to do a little bit better than that!

[bad moon]

i half to disagree about hounds needing to priced in the same range as other breeds. for one you got a lot bigger risk of that dog not being around for ever for one reason or another. also the market is not big for resale on hounds as pets if they do not hunt like there is in other breeds. look how many labs dont hunt and cattle dogs that dont chase cows but still make pets. i do not know about you but my hounds that i feel are not what i am after dont end up at the dog park...jmo

[Brady Davis]

bad moon~ If you had spent any time with the hound that doesn't turn out, it would make a great pet. This whole "hounds can't be pets' is an excuse loaded with shit...Sure makes us feel better though for not putting a handle on our dogs though eh?!

[chilcotin hillbilly]

[quote="Brady Davis"]bad moon~ If you had spent any time with the hound that doesn't turn out, it would make a great pet. This whole "hounds can't be pets' is an excuse loaded with shit...Sure makes us feel better though for not putting a handle on our dogs though eh?![/quote

Brady it takes a different type of owner to have a hound for a pet, most people aren't willing to spend the time with exercise, that a hound requires.

[Rockcreek]

There are some great posts on here and some that make a guy wonder. Truth is, it takes HUNTING, to make a HUNTING dog. Anyone can breed 2 dogs together and make more dogs.

That being said, what you spend on a pup could certainly be a contributing factor in how it turns out, or it could mean absolutely nothing. If you pay big money for a pup, you still have to hunt it and even then, it could still turn out to be nothing more than a very expensive cull.

You can throw hundred dollar bills in the kennel with your pup and that will do nothing to help the dog HUNT, no matter what you paid for it originally.

They are what they are when they are born, regardless of what the price tag is (That's why IMO it is more important as to WHO you get the pup from, not what you spend). All you can do is give the pup every opportunity to be what they can be. They don't know if you paid a dollar or a thousand dollars.

Take care and happy hunting!

[Mr.pacojack]

They are what they are when they are born, regardless of what the price tag is (That's why IMO it is more important as to WHO you get the pup from, not what you spend). All you can do is give the pup every opportunity to be what they can be. They don't know if you paid a dollar or a thousand dollars.

Take care and happy hunting!

Boy that is the truth 2 of my best dogs I have right now were free and the guy I got them from said they were just not working out and I think the truth be known they were just not being worked.
Not saying I did anything but give them the chance to hunt.

[festus]

They are what they are when they are born, regardless of what the price tag is (That's why IMO it is more important as to WHO you get the pup from, not what you spend). All you can do is give the pup every opportunity to be what they can be. They don't know if you paid a dollar or a thousand dollars.

Rockcreek,
I agree, you are right on in my opinion. It is not the money you have to pay, but WHO you get your pup from. That is why getting a pup from a true, knowledgeable, dedicated, Breeder is so important.
Your pup is going to be no better, or worse, than what his genetic makeup ( which is allready in place at berth ) determines he is going to be.
However, They still have to have the hair hunted off of them, and be handled right, to get there full genetic potential out of them.

Like the old saying goes, even a blind squirrel can find an acorn once in awhile, but a squirrel with good eye site sure has the advantage when it comes to survival.

[Spokerider]

They are what they are when they are born, regardless of what the price tag is (That's why IMO it is more important as to WHO you get the pup from, not what you spend). All you can do is give the pup every opportunity to be what they can be. They don't know if you paid a dollar or a thousand dollars.

Rockcreek,
I agree, you are right on in my opinion. It is not the money you have to pay, but WHO you get your pup from. That is why getting a pup from a true, knowledgeable, dedicated, Breeder is so important.
Your pup is going to be no better, or worse, than what his genetic makeup ( which is allready in place at berth ) determines he is going to be.
However, They still have to have the hair hunted off of them, and be handled right, to get there full genetic potential out of them.

Like the old saying goes, even a blind squirrel can find an acorn once in awhile, but a squirrel with good eye site sure has the advantage when it comes to survival.

Yep. Which is why I wished it were the BREEDERS that should be required to have [ credentials ] papers, and not their dogs........

[liontracker]

Have any of you guys ever seen a livestock breeding pyramid?
It looks like this:


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The upper tiers are the top breeders who all else buy from. This group produces the highest quality and are generally the ones who drastically improve the quality as they breed.

The middle tier is the majority of breeders who buy from the upper tiers and produce a very good product, however it is rare that they out produce the upper tiers, because the upper tiers generally keeps the best for the future.

The lower tiers are the hobby breeders, some good stuff can be had here at a great deal from time to time. But it is generally a crap shoot.

In the livestock industry it is a well known fact that the higher up the pyramid you buy from, the greater your odds are for top quality and the more an animal will cost.

[BuckNAze]

If you guys dont mind me asking how much do you guys make from breeding? I know some dont make much but for those of you who sell your pups for say $500 or more. Is there a pretty good profit envolved in that? I know you have to spend money on food, shots, etc. But how much do you profit and how much do you spend on those items? Just curious thats all. Thanks.

[Mr.pacojack]

If you guys dont mind me asking how much do you guys make from breeding? I know some dont make much but for those of you who sell your pups for say $500 or more. Is there a pretty good profit envolved in that? I know you have to spend money on food, shots, etc. But how much do you profit and how much do you spend on those items? Just curious thats all. Thanks.

You made a good point. Good hounds should not bred for profit most of the good old houndsmen bred for themselfs(and that is the way it should be) and it was very difficult to get any of their breeding.
Much is lost in breeding for profit. Good hounds are bred from a long line of sucessfull hounds from sucessfull breeding. Most guys do NOT realize that one can NOT go without the other. PROVEN BLOODLINES AND PROVEN HOUNDS. That mean you have to hunt them to prove them,and not only hunt them but catch game with them, and then breed bloodlines to try and improve what you have.And you should always breed to better what you have, and that should be very good or you shouldn't be breeding them at all.
Breeding 2 hounds because they have good blood and SHOULD hunt good is B.S.
Timmie talks about a pyramid and being at the top of it, that is just greed and a want to be a famous breeder. The men at the top of his pryamid have taken years and years to get there on their own, with PROVEN STOCK, not on others shirttails. If his pyramid was true, all a guy would have to do is buy livestock from the top guy and breed them and he would be at the same level. Which is done, look at the Cameron dogs, But every one wants one dirrectly from Dale himself, which would put him in the middle of the pyramid.
In my oppinion the guys that have screwed up the hounds we have today the worst are the ones doing it for profit. Taking 2 dogs they may have spent alot of money on and breeding them together as unproven dogs and selling them for a high dollar. If this is what you really want to try, then these pups should be put in the hands of true hunter (not guys just taking nature hikes) at little or no charge and get some honest feed back on his breeding, then and only then maybe the next litter you could sell to get some of your money back. But lets be honest you will never get your money back from hound hunting. You have to do this for the love of the hounds and the hunt.
Another thing on breeding that many of the guys coming into this sport just buying dogs or pups should know is...
Just because you have the best blood and even if both parents are the best dog in the world, that doesn't mean you will get anything more than a pile of crap. I have seen many top dogs that could never reproduce their likeness.
3 things that will increase your odds of getting a good pup is
1. Proven bloodlines
2.Proven HUNTING PARENTS
3. Proven reproducers
The more money you spend on a pup does not mean it will be better, in fact it is a tactic used by sellers. Years ago my buddy and I did a little test, we spit a litter of pups, I ran a ad for these pups for $75 and he ran one for $250(20 years ago this was alot of money for a hound) the words on the ad were the very same. He sold out the second day I had not got one call.
Don't Get caught up in this high price pup B.S.