what the hell is this?

nosightsneeded · Post by **nosightsneeded** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 11:59 pm

this was taken on a game camera near the little town of Strawn, Texas. I don't even want to say the word jaugarundi. so ill leave it up to the experts.

livetohunt · Post by **livetohunt** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 12:32 am

I dont know what a jaugarundi is but looks like a black Mt. Lion to me on the thin side thats what I say but what the heck do I know.

nosightsneeded · Post by **nosightsneeded** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 12:34 am

i makes me start to believe all them old men in deer camp talking about big black cats seen while in the blind.

guy54 · Post by **guy54** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:38 am

I've heard stories in the south about black panthers. I have never seen one but it appears that maybe some are still around. My 88 year old mother in law talks about them being around when she was a kid in Arkansas.

plottpappaw · Post by **plottpappaw** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:50 am

Our wildlife here in north carolina continues to deny a black panther or a cougar exist her but there has been way to many sitings. My grandparents have always told me bout hearing them plus i have found tracks while deer hunting. We have been hunting and heard them plus we have so many places that are deep and we can't hunt plus a new elk population in one of our parks that they could thrive with no human interferance that i just don't buy they aint at least few here.

waylon · Post by **waylon** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:58 am

I ain't sure what it is, but i got dog that will run it

I have heard dozens of people all my life say they saw somthing like that in the rougher country around here, always thought it was dark mnt. lions but maybe i was wrong again

Dads dogboy · Post by **Dads dogboy** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 1:44 pm

Hey guys google jaguarundi and you will find pictures of this varmit!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguarundi

That is what it is a Jaguarundi, they range up into S.TX, will run about like a Lion(lots of trail with little Race).

Folks are finding more Ocelots and Jaguarundi as well as Pumas in S. Tx. The Deer population is climbing and so are the number of predators. Thank god all the land is private or else the "Wildlife Gurus" would be trying to stock more Wolves!

Hope this helps!

CJC

PS folks there ain't been a documented case of a Black Cougar, Puma, Mt. Lion, et al, in N. America in History to the best of my knowledge and research!

norseman · Post by **norseman** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 2:45 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguarundi

The jaguarundi (Puma yagouaroundi) is a medium-sized wild cat that ranges from southern Texas in the United States south to South America. The average length is 65 cm (30 inches) with 45 cm (20 in) of tail and a weight of about 6 kg (13.2 lbs). It has short legs and an appearance somewhat like an otter; the ears are short and rounded. For this reason, these animals are sometimes referred to as "otter cats." The coat is unspotted, uniform in colour, and varying from blackish to brownish grey (grey phase) or from foxy red to chestnut (red phase).

I never even knew they existed. For some reason though, I think that the cat pictured is bigger than 10-20 lbs, which would rule out a Jaguarundi.

Maybe its a black Jaguar? Black is rare in Jags, but it exists. And Texas falls within the former historical range of Arizona Jags.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar

Further variations in size have been observed across regions and habitats, with size tending to increase from the north to south. A study of the jaguar in the Chamela-Cuixmala Biosphere Reserve on the Mexican Pacific coast, showed ranges of just 30–50 kilograms (66–110 lb), about the size of the cougar.[28] By contrast, a study of the Jaguar in the Brazilian Pantanal region found average weights of 100 kilograms (220 lb) and weights of 300 lb or more are not uncommon in old males

It seems to fit.

liontracker · Post by **liontracker** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:15 pm

I am thinking black jaguar, pretty blocky rear quarters and head for so far south.
If it is, then it is very rare. Our local paper had an old pic of two black or dark brown lions taken locally.

Dads dogboy · Post by **Dads dogboy** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:51 pm

Pretty sure it is a Jaguarundi.

Check the size of the feeder legs as a way to judge its size.

We have caught them in S. TX years ago.

They and Ocelots, in TX, are like treeing "Heavy Bobs" in Oregon and CA...3 S's.

Liontracker, sure would like to see the Pics of Black Lions. Maybe Mr. Mike Leonard can add something.

Good Running to All!

CJC

liontracker · Post by **liontracker** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:53 pm

I will get ahold of the paper and see if I can find them online to post. Very old photos.

Mike Leonard · Post by **Mike Leonard** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 4:27 pm

http://img2.travelblog.org/Photos/8014/ ... undi-0.jpg

I would say a large male jagurundi. the size looks decieving probably doesn't weigh 40 pounds. May of them run to a more chocoalte color.

If you are interested in these cats and others that inhabit Mexico and on occasion visit the Ranco De Carocal web site. This is a faboulus wing shooting facility that has an active ocelot study going on it and they also vido and trail cam numerous other felids.

DerekE · Post by **DerekE** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 4:28 pm

That is a T post tied to that feeder leg as everyone here has to do or hogs will tip the feeder. That cat is about 12-16 inches tall, at most and can be heard at night saying meow. Strawn is 20 minutes from me. There have been a few lions killed in the area over the years usually by deer hunters. There is a deer hunter about every 100 acres with feeders and trail cameras up, hunting from Oct 1-Jan 17. After that crap is over there is a varmint calling contest every single weekend for a couple more months with sometimes 100 teams of 4 people. A lot of people and cameras in the woods all the time. It is very unlikely that the pic is a jaguarundi ( though remotely possible), and near impossible that it is a black jaguar.
It is curious though haw so many people can look at the same pic and see such different things.

norseman · Post by **norseman** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 4:31 pm

Dads dogboy wrote:Pretty sure it is a Jaguarundi.

Check the size of the feeder legs as a way to judge its size.

We have caught them in S. TX years ago.

They and Ocelots, in TX, are like treeing "Heavy Bobs" in Oregon and CA...3 S's.

Liontracker, sure would like to see the Pics of Black Lions. Maybe Mr. Mike Leonard can add something.

Good Running to All!

CJC

But doesn't that look like a block of salt he is over?

Your right, knowing the actual size of the feeder would help determine the size of the animal. I'am also looking at the fauna behind the animal as well.

Five minutes ago I didn't know what a Jaguarundi was, so I'll defer to you on the knowledge of the animal.

Dads dogboy · Post by **Dads dogboy** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 4:44 pm

We will defer to DerekE as it is his back yard!

Dad said the first time he saw the Pic it was a Kitty. However we thought Strawn was closer to Del Rio, TX.

They have killed an Ocelot just out of Victoria this Deer Season. Heard a Report of a Jaguarundi killed outside of Fredricksburg a year or so ago!

Good Conversation!

CJC

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