That is what I thought, little boys with a playboy just dreamingliontracker wrote:I'm the first to admit that looks aren't everything, but I'll take a blonde playboy girl type anyday...add some brains and desire and grit to the stellar conformation, well now that would really be something...at least in my opinion.
Now that is sick. You do know you can go to jail for that shit don't you. I sure shouldn't be telling anyone about it.liontracker wrote:No Devin it is not what you think, I actually married one!
If you were into hunting and catching game you would have!liontracker wrote:Damn Devin, If I had only known, I could have saved myself considerable work and expense by just buying a couple from you...powderhorn wrote:The ability to recognize a dog by its bloodline or breed is not a complicated task. Anyone who has spent any time around hounds and knows what he's looking at can see the traits of a dog and recognize it's lineage to some extent.
No, that's right, you sure shouldn't. Otta here...I got a blonde calling my name.Mr.pacojack wrote:I sure shouldn't be telling anyone about it.
I think you may be missing a key point in all of this.. Its an opportunity to look at the history of what we do.. where our dogs come from..Mr.pacojack wrote:You know what really amazes me with you guys is that you are so hung up on looks. You are basing everything on looks and building a breed on looks. .
-Again... Do we just leave well-enough alone and say "good 'nough, they can do it!" Or do we ask more questions.. Here's where the "Looks" question comes into play because when the questions were being asked and the backtrack ended.. it ended at Bill Green and the Lee Brothers.. and it ended with a little bit of vauge documentation and a whole lot of pictures.. if Harry O. Smith contributed great success of his dogs to Bill Green, then I'd say it is a huge step in the direction of backtracking.Who cares what they look like as long as they are catching big game and doing it time and time again?
...spot on!powderhorn wrote:I think you may be missing a key point in all of this.. Its an opportunity to look at the history of what we do.. where our dogs come from.. Take a look at LT.. And I'll give you my perspective..Mr.pacojack wrote:You know what really amazes me with you guys is that you are so hung up on looks. You are basing everything on looks and building a breed on looks. .
A man finds a dog that surpasses expectations and works game unlike anything he's seen.. (For Tim it is pretty evident that the Sugar Creek line made this impression on him.) Many people would leave well-enough alone. Say,"hot damn I'm a lucky man" and breed her to a good male hoping to get some more like her.. Instead we find a guy who sees the potential and asks questions like.. "Why" "How" & "Where did it all start??" was it some lucky guy 2 generations earlier who said "hot damn!" or was it deliberate? If deliberate, then how did they do it? And if they could do it.. why can't we? Ultimately: If so many Sugar Creek dogs were so highly respected, then how can one revive this line to produce more like it?-Again... Do we just leave well-enough alone and say "good 'nough, they can do it!" Or do we ask more questions.. Here's where the "Looks" question comes into play because when the questions were being asked and the backtrack ended.. it ended at Bill Green and the Lee Brothers.. and it ended with a little bit of vauge documentation and a whole lot of pictures.. So the looks of the dogs identify a source.. a very plausible source for why old LT's and so many other's Sugar Creek Dogs do what they do. And if Harry O. Smith contributed great success of his dogs to Bill Green, then I'd say it is a huge step in the direction of backtracking that LT had hoped for..Who cares what they look like as long as they are catching big game and doing it time and time again?
I think you're right on.. who cares about looks.. but I think it is the respect of hounds and hopes to get back something that is all but lost in the SC line that brought LT to this point.. Anyone can correct me if I'm wrong.. But when I see the Sugar Creek blood in my blue dog's pedigree.. I love getting on here and seeing what more I can find out about his roots... I love the answeres to the "why" "who" and "how".
Majestic Tree Hound wrote:some introduction of the blood of various French hounds
Not a distinction being made here in the official registry even concerning the Grand bleu de Gascon and Grand Gascon Saintongeois.Majestic Tree Hound wrote:The French dogs were known as being very cold nosed. George Washington received five such French hounds from General Lafayette.
That would be the best reason to recreate the Bill Green type hound....Majestic Tree Hound wrote:How Fast can a Pack eat a Lion ??? lol
And Bill had some sewing to do !!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FShaBzJUy9M
Some...he thought it was genetic, but now it appears it may have been dietary, based on what we know about the dog food of today. He also said "if not for the bloat, I would still be runnin' Sugar Creeks". He also said "that most people don't realize it, but Rattler was a 26" dog". And he also thinks that my 120# 29" SC x Cameron male is too big...and he might be.powderhorn wrote:Did Del talk to you much about his decision to sell SC and start over again?