hsus on another campaign to end hound hunting

[jbc67]

Hey, has anyone ever talked to SCI (safari club international) or any other pro hunting groups to see if they would help defend hound hunting? It seems that if the bunny huggers have big dogs on their sides, there has to be a big dog willing to take up our cause as well.

[Peter Meyer]

The HSUS will keep me and my hounds out of the woods when they pry the leashes from my cold dead hands. -Pete

[Plott Proud]

jbc67 ~ If those "Big Guns" saw houndsmen actually take the FIRST STEP THEMSELVES, IE: UNITING WITH OTHERS WITH THE SAME INTERESTS AND CAUSES IN MIND, JOINING THE STATE CLUB WHICH IS FIGHTING FOR THEIR RIGHTS AS WELL.

Of course everyone wants everyone else to jump in and fight for them, but a lot NOT ALL are TOO STINKIN' LAZY TO FIGHT FOR THEMSELVES.

That's why we're so vulnerable and are at the bottom of the food chain for these animal rights bottom feeders.

You want to know what's our # 1 enemy?
IT'S FOLKS THAT KEEP PUTTING LIVE KILLS AND TONS OF ANIMALS THAT HAVE BEEN KILLED ALL OVER YOUTUBE OR WHEREVER!

All I can do is the most that I can do to help preserve my hunting heritage.I GUARANTEE YOU, NO ONE can say that I didn't do my part!

[Ike]

You want to know what's our # 1 enemy?
IT'S FOLKS THAT KEEP PUTTING LIVE KILLS AND TONS OF ANIMALS THAT HAVE BEEN KILLED ALL OVER YOUTUBE OR WHEREVER!

That's an interesting concept, that we as hunters are responsible for the attacks that anti hunters make against us because of what we do, cause if witnessing a kill shot or a video, or seeing a photo of a dead animal on the web or television is justification for ending a sport then the public needs to stop any and all hunting because television, the web, newspapers around the country and magazines are full of that stuff.

I suppose it was America's fault that the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, or maybe it was our fault that Al Quaida knocked down the Twin Towers, or maybe it was the victim's fault they got ran over by a drunk driver, or maybe it was some beautiful ladies fault she got raped because she was good looking???

Bottom line is anti hunters are hunter haters and would and will do anything they can to stop any hunting sport. If showing off a clean photo of a dead tom lion is wrong and reflects bad light on hunting then maybe there is something wrong with hunting?

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[Peter Meyer]

I've said it before and I'm saying it again. Antis hate us. They hate what we do, how we do it, and will go to criminal lengths to further their anti hunting agenda. We must fight their biased propaganda with truth and fact. Someone said that discretion is the better part of valor. We all know what we do and should be proud of it. Hunting with hounds can be traced back to the founding fathers. George Washington was an avid houndsman as were many other signers of the Declaration of Independence. I despise the HSUS and have stood up in front of the CA F&G Commission to denounce them on their donations to CalTIP only to be insulted and brushed off. Boo hoo, I make it a point to nail antis in front of the comission every chance I get. If hunting with hounds is outlawed, will you be an outlaw? Damn straight. We shouldn't give the anti's any more ammunition in their fight. "trophy photos" for us become treasured memories and touchstones for bragging rights. For the antis it provides them with evidence that houndsmen are in a "blood sport". If that is true than so are cattle ranchers and chicken farmers. It's a tough call, but I prefer not to advertise what can happen at the conclusion of a hunt sometimes. I'll stick to being a thorn in their side and continue to confront their lies with fact and truth. The HSUS is a domestic terrorist group with ties to fanatic groups like the ALF(check out the Center for Consumer Freedom webpage and the soon to be started up Humane Watch web page) they will be valuable allies in the continuing fight. Hollywood stars may donate to the HSUS but they do so in ignorance of the whole picture of the HSUS. It is up to us to educate everyone on the dark shadow HSUS is casting across America's freedom. I will be at the April Commission meeting in Monterey and I guarantee you the antis will be there in force because of the proximity of San Luis Obispo County and the proposal to open portions of the county to bear hunting. It's gonna be quite a show. -Pete

[Powder River Walker]

As I was doing chores today I was thinking the HSUS and their take on hounds. I have came to the conclusion that if they want to get rid of hound hunting because it is unfair to the wild life and mean to the hounds. Then we need to get rid of all the cats that are around. Every one that owns a house cat to hunt mice or a barn cat to hunt mice should be banned. It is just crule for cats to be used for hunting pluse people leave the cats out side with no house or really even feed them since they hunt for their food. While they are at it they need to stop playing Tom and Jerry cartoons on tv too. To me it is funny that from the start of life on earth cats chase mice and dogs chase cats. now they want to change nature. HUH....Ok

[YSHBHounds]

For the HSUS being so against hunting in general..there is a lot of outside influence with CHILDREN that they forget..Walt Disney made TONS of movies, and comics that involved hunting...ironically..with HOUNDS! (Goofy and Pluto who look hound to me)

Now, are they to say that Walt Disney was wrong for making a cartoon involving Pluto and Mickey going duck hunting? Sure they never actually killed one, but it was the act of itself that was recognized...Id like to see them pick a fight with that industry and see how fast those movies DONT come off the shelves, or screen writes re-written because its "promoting harm to animals."

As the HSUS was founded in 1954..the influence of hunting through comics and short films was around much earlier than that...Walt Disney from the very beginning was making movies, and comics about hunting...
The Duck Hunt (1932)
Mickey and Pluto are going duck hunting. They clown around a bit. Then they march off, with Pluto's fleas following in formation, which lures a few ducks to follow. As soon as Mickey turns around and sees the ducks, they fly off. He heads for his blind, out-fitting Pluto with a decoy on his head. The ducks buy it, but Mickey has trouble with his shotgun, ultimately shooting a hole in the bottom of his boat and having the gun disintegrate. The ducks see this, and unmask Pluto. Sensing vulnerability, they recruit more ducks, and fly off with Pluto and Mickey. Mickey drags on windmills and rooftops, and finally both of them drop into long underwear hanging on a line (with Pluto's fleas using little parachutes).

The Moose Hunt(1931)
Mickey's hunting, along with a characteristically playful and distracted (and uncharacteristically talkative) Pluto. Pluto fetches a forked branch, and Mickey shoots, mistaking it for antlers, but Pluto is OK. Then they find a moose, and Mickey's gun fails but they escape when Pluto does an impression of Dumbo, with Mickey riding
Then you have to take in account, The Fox and the Hound. Sure its not really FOR hunting, but its still there!... also Mary Poppins..when her and the children are running on the mary-go-round horses they encounter hunters and a fox. Walt Disney was smart in corrporating hunting into childrens stories. He made them fun, but still introduced "city kids" into a world they would have never known otherwise.

Its funny how every cartoon that includes hunting..its either Mickey and his trusted DOG Pluto... or Goofy whom is a dog himself?

There is a book I bought a year ago, VERY neat book. I encourage those who haven't read it...to do so.

HUNTING AND THE AMERICAN IMAGINATION
By David Justin Herman

Herman is not so much interested in hunting itself as in ideas about hunting. He traces the path by which Americans--especially Theodore Roosevelt and others of the Progressive Era--came to think of themselves as a people who had been made great through hunting. Herman deftly draws on critical theory and on a vast repertoire of secondary literature yet he grounds his story firmly in history rather than in literary criticism.

Im new to hound hunting, but I'm still upset on how big corporations like HSUS and PETA target those who are closed minded and uses lies instead of facts to swing a vote in their direction and benefit their cause, with no recollect for the other party, or their argument... Im a hard headed woman, but I still let people tell their side of the story in fair trade... just irks me. ....

Im not sure if my opinions are even relevant to the issue at hand..but ..Those are my two cents anyway.