How the FU** are we supposed to save the hounds

[catdog360]

Thank god thats catdogs and not me catdog360......................................................

[grouse]

I guess i owe you an appology , honest mistake .

[buzz]

It is people like you Grouse that drag down the rest of us that are trying to better our hunting. Try to be part of the solution not the problem!!!!

[Doogie]

I think grouse is saying, game laws should NOT be made by the ballot box period. The general public has NO idea what goes into making a game law. Initiatives are NOT the place to make game laws

[Rowdy]

It is people like you Grouse that drag down the rest of us that are trying to better our hunting. Try to be part of the solution not the problem!!!!

How is he dragging hunting down. Explain please.

[grouse]

Thank you Rowdy and Doogie .

[grouse]

Buzz give me an explanation of how i am the problem ! There have been guys on here that have explained of how the game laws are created in there states and i thank them for the information , So perhaps , you being so informed give an explanation how things work in your world , then we will all know what life in the Twilight Zone is all about !!

[buzz]

Rowdy, If you read my post again you will see that I did not say he was dragging the hunting down. I said that he is the kind that drags down the rest of us that are trying to better our hunting. What catdogs is saying is why give the antis any more ammo to use against us than they already have. I too disagree with the public being able to decide what methods are ethical or not but that is what happened to us in 1996. It was a fairly close vote , but I think the antis tv ads of some unethical hound hunts definetly made some people vote against us.

Grouse I guess I just did not agree with you pointing fingers at the wrong people.

[Rowdy]

Hey buzz, I think we all have days where something just hits a nerve! Have on on me:

[Roy Sparks]

Gentlemen on this note I would like add a recent experience which has had a profound effect on my business and my lifestyle.

I introduced the hunting of leopard with hounds as we know them to Namibia in 1997 and have continued to do so untill the end of last year.

The discontinuation of the use of hounds for tracking large predators was called for by the Namibian Proffessional Hunters Association of which most if not all members have a vested interest in the business of hunting.

A vote was called for and the majority voted for the ban of using hounds to hunt leopard and lion there. Yes Houndsmen these were hunters. A lot of them actually had made a lot of use of our services to help make their hunts a success. This was not an outside force but an internal drive by hunters to eliminate compitetion.

All manner of fabricated reasons for the practise to be banned was presented with no substantiated evidence. However it did not take much convincing for the majority of pro-hunters to vote against.All it took was a rumour here and there to get the gossip mongors going.The outcome of the called for special general meeting had a predetermined result. They rallied together got themselves well organised ahead of time and managed to get our livelihood banned in a few hours.

Beware of hunters - Maybe the greenies are correct !!

If hunting video's could be kept private I back them. Unfortunately this is virtually impossible. I love watching hunting video's. However if I were asked if I thought it was a good idea I'd have to say NO !! They do more damage than they are worth - in all hunting scenario's not just hound hunting. Difficult but the facts that support my statements are there.If you do video's keep it clean and try keep them personal between you and your buddies. Yes I am considering producing some hunting video's of my own but really am in two minds if I should do so or not.

Roy Sparks.

[liontracker]

Roy, I read where the leaders of your pro leopard baiters joined forces with the Humane Society. That is unacceptable.

The video problem is the result of the average person not knowing what hunting is anymore. Without educating, it will only get worse.

[Roy Sparks]

Amen Tim , I actually wrote an in depth article on leopard hunting perspectives where I made it known that our Pro-hunters Association in South Africa were working in collaboration with NSPCA and were actually taking directives from a radical humane anti hunting society. For those who are interested in reading this you can google african outfitter.com and search for the article there.

Phasa and Napha ( SA and Namibia respectively ) are solely responsible for leopard hunting being banned in those countries. They sought to sacrifice us houndsmen in order to stay popular with the anti hunting lobbiests. Talk about a lynching !!

However Judge Roy Bean will be presiding at some point. Revenge is one of the deadly sins but we serve a just God so I believe justice must be carried out. I feel squat screwing these guys and I got a bunch of '' Shite " to serve them on a platter.They had a taste, did not like it but they gonna get more. They hurt me and my buddy houndsmen bad so they gonna get it back, some of their own medicine.

Judge Roy Bean.

[liontracker]

"...it's the reconing that counts"

Doc Holiday

[BlueJohn]

You know what would cure our problems?

Make the right to hunt a part of the second ammendment...

Here's what I've been trying to get put on the Oregon state ballot:

Oregon State Constitutional Amendment:
Rights of Citizens to Hunt and Fish

All citizens of Oregon have the right to hunt, fish, trap, and otherwise take, gather, or utilize wildlife, in accordance with regulations, seasons, limits, and methods established by the Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife.

The enumeration in the Constitution of the aforementioned rights of citizens shall not be construed to deny or disparage other rights granted by this Constitution or retained by the citizens of Oregon.

The Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife shall have sole authority to establish regulations, seasons, limits, and methods by which the taking of wildlife shall be considered to be lawful.

Existing statutes, regulations, seasons, limits, or methods pertaining to the taking or management of wildlife as presently exist shall be subject to review and modification by the Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife.

The directors of the Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife shall be composed of appointees of the Governor of the State of Oregon, representing the interests of a cross section of the public, including hunters and fishermen, environmental, and agricultural interests.

The Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife shall have as its overriding goals the provision of sustainable opportunities for recreational hunting and fishing, wildlife population management, preservation of habitat, the protection of agriculture, and public safety.

[liontracker]

I would add: "based on sound wildlife management principles", in order to eliminate political agenda's.

In the very least, every state should have a right to hunt clause.