Oregon Cougar regs

[nightstalker41]

I was reading the regulations and it says that the season is open year round or until zone mortality rates are met and that a person taking a cougar has 10 days to report it.
Doesn't this leave the door open for overkill, wouldn't this allow for the taking of females with kittens? What form of conservation are they implementing here? The State won't allow the use of hounds but they will allow the indiscriminate taking (slaughter) of cougar? I fail to see how this will benefit anyone. Appearantly the boot hunters aren't getting the job done effectively and needed more woods time. Seems to me if they would just allow hounds to be used they could have kept the season dates the same and got better results. Anyone else feel this way?

[R.M.]

A season on Lions without the use of hounds is a joke! VERY FEW lions will be harvested. Lions might as well be totally protected like they are in California.
At least in Oregon you can kill a problem cat without going through the depredation process. AND at least you can have a lion hide or mount in your house! In California it is illegal to possess any lion parts.

[Dale T]

In California you cannot go to another state, legally take a Lion and bring it back to California

[Marshall]

Heres exactly how it works fellas. the odfw will tell you straight up that oregon sportsman can not meet management objectives and that they flat out dont need us, Just call and ask them. They hire the usda to come in and wipe everything out and the state legislature gives them a blank check to pay them and us the tax payers pay for it. There are some guys (even people on here) that have filled out paperwork to do just that, And as long as these people are allowed to do that, then why do they need oregon sportsman? The fellas that are out doing this are NOT helping us get hound hunting back for lions and bears. Oh and by the way these guys are running the lions and bears with dogs as well as snaring them. Here is a little fun fact. In the years of 06-09 there were select target areas for thinning out some lions and they took a total of 101 cats and each cat cost $3,074.26 to harvest and that came to a total of $310,501 that oregon state tax payers paid to do this. there is a new initiative to take 2,000 lions in the next 4 years and if you do the math of 2,000 cats @ $3,074.26 then it comes to $6,148,520 that oregon tax payers will pay to have this done with most not even knowing it.

Now my question is why are they having people pay for this to happen when they can generate so much revenue in tag aps. and so forth? Not to mention how much work it would create for guides and taxidermests in a state that has a high unemployeement rate? If you can tell me where that is justified then please do so, but i am guessing nobody will. We need to call bullshit where it needs to be called and take a stand! I would love to hear from the guys on here that have signed up on that program that are hindering the rest of us and see what they have to say. If you ask me personally it is just greed and you would never catch me doing that because it goes completely against what i believe in and that is a future in hunting for myself, my friends, my kids, and all of you and your kids. I have a bunch of info on this and would love to share.

Marshall

[nightstalker41]

I'm beginning to see what you are working with down there Southern. This post has had 68 views at the time of writing this and a total of 1, count them 1, from Oregon respond. Oh and Mr Martell sent me a PM in response to this as well. I cannot believe for one minute that no one else from Oregon gives a sh!t about the current practices of the Fish and Game and is willing to sit on their a$$ and not start raising questions. I applaud Jess Messner and the efforts that he is making and those that have signed his petition, my questions to those that have signed is, What are you going to do now to help support this legislation? You have to get out and campaign to influence votes, campaigning costs money, are there going to be fund raisers to raise money for this? Are you gonna be one to donate money? Will you be willing to hand out flyers that explain the legislation? Would you sit on a panel and answer questions in a professional, non-confrontational manner? If you answered yes to any of these questions contact Mr. Messner or your hound club representatives and get active. If you choose to blow this off and call me a crack pot so be it, but to sit idly by and allow the weight of this to rest on one mans shoulders is bullsh!t.

[Marshall]

Travis

You are exactly right that people are flat ass chicken shit to not take a stand. I have told jess and mike both that i will do whatever it takes and i stand by my word and will do whatever needs to be done. So you can count on it that if i am asked to do something then it will be done. I forgot to mention that when these usda guys are killing these bears and lions they are just tossing them in a ditch and chalking another one up on the kill list. They will take females and kittens also without a second thought. It is pretty funny that if i go out and do this then i am a criminal for running a lion or bear but if i was on the other side of the paper work then i would be a saint for killing those females with kittens that could have been a problem down the road...... Makes a lot of sense does'nt it. I am still waiting for someone on here to try and tell me that im telling lies and i hope someone tries to because maybe then i will post the pics up that i have of some of the lions and bears having the life slowly and miserably taken from them, or maybe the ones of the bears and lions that riped thier own legs off to get out of a snare, or the ones of the lions that are thrown just over in the ditch after they have been in a snare for days because it hadnt been checked. I can go on and on and it pisses me off more than you know. I am calling out people in oregon to take a stand even if you dont own hounds because it does not stop with just bears and lions. I wish a guy could go to salem and give those boys a little talk with jesus and maybe put some sense into them, but that would not help in this day n age. I am happy that you started this topic travis, i have been waiting to say this. Thanks

Marshall

[elkheadb&t]

It does say under bag limit no spotted kittens or females with spotted kittens.

Although its a sad thing they price a turkey tag at $22.50 and $14.50 for a Lion tag. We used to pay $50.00 for lion tags when we could hunt them with dogs, I could barely afford to buy one then. Its sad they value a turkey over a lion ,this whole thing is getting weird.

And i believe they were under control with the use of hounds as a tool for the fish and wildlife to use. They were actually hard to find but still abundant. I believe that's what they would like to get to now. But nowadays politics just screw everything up.

There is a OUSDA convention April 24Th at Canby Or. If anyone has something they think will help us get our hunting heritage back maybe someone there can help. Just an Idea, Trying to help.

[Nora Cook]

[nightstalker41]

Nora,
I wasn't trying to divide anyone but merely trying to drum up more support for fellow houndsmen and women down in Oregon. I grew up in Oregon and also ran hounds in Oregon for several years before joining the service, I know the struggle and hope the best for you guys down there.

Travis

[Marshall]

Nora,
I agree that this topic is being discussed right now as i type this, but what good is being made can you tell me that and what harm am i doing by letting the antis see that we still have no hunting rights? I could care less if the antis took usda out of the picture and im actually hoping for it because it still leaves me right where i am right now but one thing would change and that is that they wont be able to do what they do and we wont have to pay for it anymore. The way i see it is i have these dogs and i have poured a lot of heart and soul into them and right now as it is i have to go out of state to do any big game hunting with them and here in oregon i can only get 5 bobcats a year and that is in certian months and if i am caught exercising my dogs on a road in other months then i get a ticket, while the people on the other side of the paperwork are doing whatever the hell they want to do with nobody questioning them or looking at them to slip up and that is because most houndsmen and just hunters in general dont have a clue, so please explain what i am hurting by letting people see what in the hell is actually going on here. Not everybody on here is a ousda member as i am not myself and not everyone on here even have a clue as to what is actually going on so why wouldnt a guy like me make it as public as i can. In all actuallity what do i have to lose? 5 bobcats a year? and still im going out of the state to do big game hunting. I, you, and everyone on here from oregon really have nothing to lose if you ask me and i feel that we are backed up in a corner and have no choice other than to shut these bastards down and the only way we can do that is if we make it public so people will know what actually goes on. If you think that all i am doing is bitching about this and typing then you could not be further from the truth. Also please explain to me if i am wrong in what we as hunters in general actually have to lose, because with wolves coming in and everything like that we are DOOMED beyond repair!

[Nora Cook]

Marshall,
This is what I’m talking about. Not once did I say that what you are doing is wrong or that I don’t appreciate all that people do from other states and ours. Did I once say that you should not state your opinion? NOPE. All I was saying was that to go onto a web page and tell people that just because they choose not to reply or make a remark about this subject does not mean that they do not care about there state or there hunting rights. It was not even directed at you but you had to make the come back. By the replies I think that point was made.

You say we have nothing to lose, but in all actuality we have unlimited western bobcat, 5 eastern, a cat season, coon season, and pursuit season. Oh and they just raised all of our tag prices as well.


nightstalker41,

I think that it is great that you still care about Oregon.You guys have less then a open hound season then we do but you do have some managment hunts ( cougar & bear ) that we don't. I hope people in Oregon that hunt up in your state will be willing to step up when needed.


I think that every one that is worried about how ODF&W runs our so called Wildlife management plan (all species) has a right to be. We all know that big changes need to be made and we all have different opinions on how it needs to be handled.

As far as OUSDA . I know some people look down on it and I respect that opinion but unfortunately OD&W and other political minds look to that organization for guidance and decisions (not that they care in the long run). There are going to be some changes made this year at convention. Even if you are not a member is it good to come and at least get herd by a large majority of the hound hunters in Oregon that are the face of the political side of things.


It is a fight that is never ending. We will gain and we will lose. it is just how we handle it in the end.

[Marshall]

what have we gained compared to what we have lost? what is the ousda doing right now to get our rights back? I mean what are you doing right now to gain something for us? these are just a few of the questions that i and others have because to us it seems that nothing is being done for our rights as hunters in general. we lose most all is how i see it and to say that you have western and eastern tags dont cut it because if you get eastern tags then you may not purchase western so i myself and all of us over in the east only get five, sure we can come persue over there but alot of people dont have the money to drive over there. we have top notch lion and bear hunting do we not? why are we not fighting tooth and nail for those rights? I know some things are going on behind the scenes that alot of people dont know about, so why not make that public? Also why is it that when we take the fight right to thier front door and and discuss the issue with them that when they threaten us, the ones supposedly doing the fighting just tuck tail and run. why is that? can you honestly tell me that the future of hunting looks bright right now? I dont think it does and i think its time right now to stand and fight and take back what is rightfully ours and when a threat is posed we tell them to shove it because this is our god given right. The people of oregon will not stand for them trying to take all hunting away and the people that do try will not be in office for long if they actually try, you can count on that. Nora i am not trying to come directly at you yourself but i am looking for answers. I have sent emails to representatives and i think all sportsman should as well and express thier concern, heck even email or call the gov. This state is screwed and we just keep taking it with no lube and right here in the now is the time to fight! so lets quit the talk and the give and take and get on with it before it is truely to late!

[Tim Pittman]

southern dix,call me 541-912-6464

[Marshall]

Tim,
tried to call but no answer. I will try again tomarrow.

Marshall

[Chopper]

Southern Dix, My name is Dustin. I live in Southern Oregon . I read your post. I agree with you about hunting is our (God Givein Right). We all need to fight and come together as Oregonians. It's our land not the governments. The laws are not written on the TREES or the GAME ANIMALS. I asked a warden (Can you tell me an explanation for the miss management of Oregon's game and fish)? (He said I am only here to monitor the game and fish). I said (you should be fired by the people and me of Oregon). We can't let them ruin our rights as they already have any further. If we fight, We will see one day hounds chaseing bear and lion once again. The law of Right to Hunt and Fish law in Oregon supercedes there LIES. One last thing, In (1994) The goverment must have gotten a Wopping Check from HSUS, This government did this to us. Don't ever stop fighting for what you believe in. Thank you Southern Dix for bringing the fight out in me.