Wolves delisted

yotabluewalker · Post by **yotabluewalker** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:22 am

okay i tried a pm to see if i could do it. my 13 year old knows more than me about computers :lol:

if you don't recieve let me know. thanks alot

three rivers catahoulas · Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:42 am

I bred some dogs up a few years ago, that may be able to hold there own with a wolf. They were 1/2 hound 1/4 Catahoula & 1/4 American Bulldog, the hound in'em was Walker & Plott. They made jam up hog dogs, never ran'em on a bear race, but they had plenty of leg and lung and were on the bigger side around 75+ pounds, some of'em had the bulldog type heads and some had a houndy head. I kept three of'em out of nine. They were some rough SOB's. From what I have herd about them Stagg hounds and Irish Wolf hounds, they aint to good around kids and anything small, there real gamey dogs from what I hear though, I aint never had one so I cant talk from my own experiance's

yotabluewalker · Post by **yotabluewalker** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:46 am

i get the hound, plott, catahoula combo but am not understanding about bulldogs. they do not seem built for this however i know nothing of the breed . tempermnets/personalities etc... do you still have any of that line?

kirpa · Post by **kirpa** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:09 am

I have tried to do some research about those vests but its so small firm or one man bisnes that there are not much info. A while back there were one man who did some maze/pepper spay vest on dogs. There were balloons on vest and those were full of pepper spray or maze. When wolf tried to bite a dog the balloon burst and wolf got mouth full of spray. Don't know did it work but those were made. Only bad thing about those vests is that it cant be bitten second time. Ancient europeian way is to make a vest with spikes on it so if wolf cant get a hold of dog the dog might get away.
This things are worth of investigate and if you can make a vest that can provote wolf attack and save you dog i think there is a market here in northern europe as well. Im saying this because here every one thinks s.s.s is the only way and all new ideas are been shot down.

yotabluewalker · Post by **yotabluewalker** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:22 am

kirpa,
the site you used earlier...is wolf hunting with dogs legal in that country and if so who do i contact to find information. i'm not saying i want to purposefully hunt them but i do want to protect my dogs however i can.

larry · Post by **larry** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:24 am

I think it pretty much comes down to wether the wolf wants to kill the dog or not, no matter what type of dog, the wolf is gonna do it with ease. NMPlott has a pretty good idea, as is the SSS. They are just a terrible animal that needs to be killed off again. I have also seen cyanide bombs that sheep herders have used for coyotes, wonder if the wolf would fall for one of those?

three rivers catahoulas · Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:32 am

No unfortunely they all were killed, but the AB's can run. I use two catch dogs at a time, all I run any more are AB's for my catch dogs. My two main AB's can run all day with my hounds and cur dogs, they are preformance bred bulldogs, also known as Scott or Standard type's, they have alot more muzzle then the Johnson or Bully types and are lighter built(but still big ass dogs) and they are not natrualy dog agressive, I have herd of guys useing them as kill dogs for yotes too. But that mix of dogs was a good mix for both longevity and power, had pretty good noses to. Another good cross I have had(for hogs anyway) has been 1/2 Catahoula 1/2 AB, they made good floaters. I haven't herd of the pepper spray vest before, but were dont have a problem here with wolves gettin our dogs, all we use our vest's for is hog huntin.

yotabluewalker · Post by **yotabluewalker** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:32 am

what the heck is a cyanide bomb? my concern about nmplott's idea is the cross contamination of the other animals around. defeats the purpose if a lion or bear gets to it first. not to mention a sick dog can leave the faintest hint of the disease which can affect your other dogs for up to 2 years with good rains to wsh the ground not to mention you'd have to burn the method of hauling it in the first place.. SSS is always there...it is legal to protect youirself if you feel a threat to your life....sometimes though you have to be up close and personal to see the tracking collars and rumor is going around about chipping the pups so...

larry · Post by **larry** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:38 am

cyanide bomb is a buried cylinder in the ground with a scented flag, carcass, etc attached to it, coyote pulls, and cyanide puffs him in the face. No more coyote. not something you would want to do when your dogs were out and about, but summer sure is long. You would probably get a few innocent critters with em, but if you wanna make a cake you gotta break a few eggs.

three rivers catahoulas · Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:46 am

Were can you get those, we have a yote problem bad in the sring around the time all my cows are dew to calve. I have gas bombs for ground squarels, and the yotes are smart, every time I see one and start the 4wheeler, boom there gone. The only up side to the yotes, is the city is gettin closer and closer to us and they keep the stray cats in check.

yotabluewalker · Post by **yotabluewalker** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:46 am

Larry, my 13 year old stated your his new idol

thanks fjor the lesson!

larry · Post by **larry** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:52 am

gov trappers get em. A guy would have to look into the rest. Reason i know about em is a real good friend lives in stevensville, his nieghbor has 20 acres with sheep, neighborhood dogs started going missing. Guy had about 15 head of sheep and had 3 or 4 of these bombs out with houses every direction from him no more than 20 acres away. My friend got him to have to get rid of em. they are designed for large spreads like in eastern MT, or the west fork of the bitterroot?????? Not sure where to get em but I'm sure a little looking and it could be figured out. guy could probably do a homemade gadget as well, don't let the 13 yr old hear that

yotabluewalker · Post by **yotabluewalker** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:59 am

hmmmm! never been to the west fork of what????? :twisted:

yeah there are too many houses in stevi to run coyotes or anywhere else here for that matter...I may have phone number of someone by tomorrow though.. 13 year old is taking notes...maybe the junior high should start having these classes so he will pay better attention

three rivers catahoulas · Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:59 am

Most likely there illeagel here, every thing is LOL, But I'm gonna call the DFG in the morning just icase they are leagel, I do some trappin on a regular basis for the state, but all I deal with are pigs. That would be cool wouldn't it, to see a big ol boar hog blow up

, a guy I know got some two part explosives and blew up all sorts of stuff like that

, once again dont let your boy read that, I dont want to be a bad influiance on a young mind.

yotabluewalker · Post by **yotabluewalker** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:10 am

wyatt, the afore mentioned 13 year old, will volunteer to run the video camera or post game cams. :twisted:

he was so happy with his leg hold trap up until now.. :lol:

the west fork is terrible for wolves.. alot of the time their tracks are right on top of the lion tracks...female this year was hard on dogs ..and she was not in best of shape... lions are getting chased off their kills and going farther into nasty territory. Yellowstone study shows female lions keeping their young 6 months longer in wolf inhabited country which ultimately costs a femal 2 litters in her lifetime