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nmplott wrote:the blue can lead a pack of hounds but it can not lead a pack of plotts as the plotts are superior otherwise my screen name would be nmbluetick. I have thought of selling my blue on several occasions and the same thought of selling my plotts, yeah right.

Amen brotha, And some damn fine plott dogs you got!!!

Brindle wrote:

nmplott wrote:the blue can lead a pack of hounds but it can not lead a pack of plotts as the plotts are superior otherwise my screen name would be nmbluetick. I have thought of selling my blue on several occasions and the same thought of selling my plotts, yeah right.

Amen brotha, And some damn fine plott dogs you got!!!

Brindle, the qaulity of who you are can be directly associated with those who you associate with, which is the explanations fo the envy that people have about the plott guys and thier plotts.
(by the way we still have to make that trade of a plott pup for a plott pup.)

i started with plotts, thought they were the greatest thing since sliced bread, i bought a bluetick, found out that plotts arnt even in the same category, ended up buying four more blueticks, i now have four plotts and five blueticks, the blueticks are a superior dog. plotts make a good pack dog but cant lead a bluetick, the bluetick has a superior nose, is faster, and has more endurance. that is probably why you dont see a lot of these lion hunters running plotts, especially the dry ground boys. plotts just dont have the nose for it. of course you will have a occasional exception, but i am talking about the whole breed in general. i think this would have been a lot closer poll had it been walkers vs. blueticks in lion hunting. JMO.

I have yard full of exceptions then. My blue is the slowest dog here. But I though this was about the walkers which means the PLOTTS still remain supreme. We hunt the dust hard here, and these dogs will do it day after day. The consistency in a plott is better than those other breeds I have hunted.

Consistencey is the word!!!!lol even tho i prolly didnt spell it right!!! I want a dog that will catch what ever im hunting weather its a 15lb coon,200lb lion,35lb bobcat or 500lb bear...

shoot the way walkers are bred now days it aint hard to get them to tree at all just can't promise they'll be something there besides branches and leaves. lol

It depends on who is breeding the Walkers. The hunting strains aren't neccessarily that quick to look up.

When I first got into hounds everyone I hunted around ran Walkers. I swore to be different and find other dogs that would do as good. When I bought my first finished dog it was a Walker. I made myself a promise that I wouldn't turn into a Walker guy. I have about 50% Walkers now. I keep trying different dogs, including Plotts, and slowly but surely the Walkers are taking over. I really like Redbones and Blueticks but I haven't seen many that do a bang up job in the area I hunt. I have been around a few real good Plotts but good Walkers are a lot more common around here. I am trying not to become a Walker guy, but they sure are dominating the woods around here.

George you know what is funny ? when i got into this sport just a few short years ago I told myself No plotts or black and tans after the first year . Well I just could not find or see top beardogs ( consistent ) in any other breed . I tried like hell to find a walker that was not a coward could not find one , seen some that caught a lot of bears and I hear of a guy around here that has some top walker dogs that are not and I am inclined to believe it and that he has a good consistency with his dogs but not many have seen it or will. Seen some good ones in most other breeds but nothing top notch . Still see some good dogs in other breeds but now am all plott even though I tried like hell not to be. When you hunt the same area and same bears as others when one pack is treeing 90 + % and the other is only 60-70% it is easy to see the difference especially when it is over several years with packs and bloodlines changing.
But just for perspective I have not seen many top notch dogs like some I have only owned 3 top dogs seen a couple hand full of others out of hundreds .
I realize this post is about lions and know a few guys that are using them in the south on lions almost strictly . Know others here that do just fine actually more than fine .
I have seen more blue ticks with better noses but not trail near as fast as they should and only seen a couple walkers that had it in the nose department .
for me in breeds and what I have seen is
These are generals and all most consistant in that breed vs. other breeds
Walkers and English -track speed
Blue-tick-/ (Blk&Tan close to) Nose
Plotts - Mental and physical toughness and grit .
For me and my experiences Plotts far and away better consistency followed by btick and shortly after walkers

You western boys, really need to get out of the local coon dog or cat bred dogs if you want walker bear dogs. I really feel sorry for you short comings, of being closed mined about plotts, but i guess if that is all you got that works, you have to put up with the many downfalls of them. Plotts are bear bred in general, easy to start on bear, and do a good job. A good bred for young guys to start out with, or your average rookie As I have stated, i hunted them box fighting, tree fighting, dumb sob's for near ten years. Looking back, that is what made me a good houndman and trainer today, as if i had to go back to that stress just to kill something, honestly I would quit hunting, it simply isnt worth it to me. And nothing worse to see a few males turn two to three, and fight everything in front of them, and cull them because of it. And dont give me the crap of it was only me. This summer coming through town, a hunter had a sticker, plotts rule or something on his box. He stopped at the light, and the truck started shaking, as the sob's were fighting in the box at the light in town. Got a doctor buddy has a exceptional old plott that will jump about any bear. He has to ride outside the box, as you cant put another dog with him, at twelve, he still will box fight. So save them stories they dont fight with each other, for kids that will listen to you

WI, is known to have as good of bear hunting as anywhere in the usa. Plotts, and walkers dominate. I love to train young dogs, play with breeding, but I can assure you of one thing. My last crew of grade walker mutts, jumped and treed 90 plus percent of any bear they were put on, and done it with style. they were all litter mates at three years old. I sold that crew to a man in N.C. right on the coast, hunting them big bastards. Last week they killed 16 bear over them dogs, all of them cut up, staples, and one killed by a bear. I've got another here, on a bad bear his shoulder is so broke up he is done for life, which happened this summer. So, my point, there is several guys here with walkers, that get it done walker style, so you boys need to open your eyes, or quit trashing walkers, or come on back here, and let them spank you stupid plott to open your eyes Oh, by the way, I will back this up with phone numbers, not talking out my , and these dogs will only see ten to twenty feet, not half way across the country like you hunt. And just in case you never seen pics of a 40 plus pound bobcats, I've killed with this line, I can show you that to, If you plott boys arent careful, you might just learn something

Bplott wrote:I want a dog that will catch what ever im hunting weather its a 15lb coon,200lb lion,35lb bobcat or 500lb bear...

Yep and I want a night with Marissa Miller, but that ain't probably gonna happen. All those critters take different skills to catch consistently and looking for one dog that has them all wrapped up is a tall order. Especially if you're going to hunt a bunch of different areas and terrain.

If you haven't seen some good dogs in different colors, you either aren't looking or haven't been looking long. I don't get hung up on colors or breeds, but results. If something does it better than what I've got, I'll give it a whirl. But there ain't no sense in throwing out the good you've got to chase down a fleeting hope of something magical. If it was out there, everybody would have it.

Find good hunters, you'll find good dogs. And it won't matter what color they are. With that said, a lot of the better dogs in this zip code are white.

Ya, but the question was plotts vs walkers on lions right? not even comparing apples to apples. Everytime somebody starts pullin to the plott side on this deal, it jumps directly to how good they did on bear. were not talking about bear, just lions. where are the dry ground lion plotts? ask the same question about walkers and the answer is everywhere.

i don't run lions only bears. i only stated my opinion on the walkers cause from what type of walkers i am exposed to is pourly bred walkers except for a half of dozen true bear hunters. as far as lion dogs and dry ground my opinion would be incorrect. i do believe that no breed is superior except in the breeder or owners eyes. which is influenced by past experiences and luck with a certain breed. i'm sure just as many lions hit the ground in front of plotts, walkers, blueticks, english, redbones, black and tans and cross bred hounds. same for bear hunting. just my two cents worth.

plottpappaw wrote:i'm sure just as many lions hit the ground in front of plotts, walkers, blueticks, english, redbones, black and tans and cross bred hounds. same for bear hunting. just my two cents worth.

I would have to say that your not completely correct in this statement..... I would bet my bottom dollar that more lions have hit the dirt infront of "cross bred hounds" than all the others combined. The thing around here is, the dogs are mostly spotted with varying amounts of ticks. There is my .02

Scott

10-4 on that and Nolte always agree with ya.Its simple good blood and good training equals good results.Anything else is just doggy racism

i can't argue with ya on that one either. does seem that cross bred hounds do a great job. i have had several good cross bred dogs. mostly black and tan/bluetick or english/walker cross. thinking of trying a plott/walker cross.