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I hunt my plotts on dry ground here. They hunt bear on occasion but its bobcat that they hit hard during the season and lion that they hit most of the year. They have never backed down from the meanest hog or bear and have the scars to prove it and I have the vet bills to prove it as well. Its interesting things is how when the plott guys show up in force here the subject changes to a different breed or cross bred dogs. In the end its all about what you prefer but I would rather have my brindled dogs that have be drug off a tree then another color that you can simply say a command and they stop. It is this desire that is one of my the many that defines my dogs the desire to not quit, to be smart enough to put the game up there in the first place regardless of how cold the trail was to start off, or what tricks the critter used to evade them, what the weather conditions were and to be dual natured enough that my toddlers can walk among them and thier safety is never in question.

Since you plott guys are keepin it real here and not tellin the normal tall tales that the steriotypical plott guys would tell, I'm gona switch sides for a minute and go to bat for the plotts. I have a freind that got into dogs about the same time as me and his first dog is a plott. That plott has never been put on anything but lion and he's as good a lion dog as you could find. I even crossed one of my H.B.T's with that dog and got some black and tan brindle plotts and some regular brindles that are hell on wheels on cats. So I don't think it's a matter of plotts not being able to do it, as much as just it's not very common. good walker lion dogs on the other hand are pretty common just like good plott bear dogs. and I still agree that these cross bred dogs are #1 for sure.

There is some very good comments on here...It suprises me how little folks expect from ther dogs tho...

Bplott wrote:There is some very good comments on here...It suprises me how little folks expect from ther dogs tho...

There are some stupid comments as well. After reading all the pages on Walkers Vs. Plotts and who makes the best lion dog I have to laugh. Ole cat and bear and nolte are in the middle of and I will bet they have never caught a lion with there own dogs. Cat and bear, load those great dogs of your up and lets go lion hunting. Just a bunch of wind bags.

I do know a little about lion hunting, and what makes a good dog. Plotts make real good lion dogs but not the best. I wouldn't own a Blue Tick, to much bawling and not enough speed to push cats hard enough. Black and tans make awesome cat dogs if you can find the good ones. Walkers make the best cats dogs from what I have seen and I have seen some damn good ones.

My personnel opinion is that you will have better averages in finding walkers making better Bobcat dogs and dry ground lion dogs on average.

Cat and bear your quote "As I have stated, i hunted them box fighting, tree fighting, dumb sob's for near ten years. " In my short 17 years I have had the exact opposite walkers have always been the tree fighters face barkers and box hogs . I have never owned a ill plott . Have had them as young dogs do it but three times was the most that happened and never a problem after they learned it was not acceptable . next to blue ticks walkers have been the hardest headed dogs I have dealt with sometimes just not learning even the hard way.
I have been around very few coon bred walkers . The ones I have seen that did the best were the Loose bruce bred ones but still not consistent and they were slower than most walker lines.

Catch wrote: Ole cat and bear and nolte are in the middle of and I will bet they have never caught a lion with there own dogs. Cat and bear, load those great dogs of your up and lets go lion hunting. Just a bunch of wind bags.

You got a man fetish over me or what. 5 pages of replies and you pick out my only one on the entire topic. I waited until someone talked about having dogs that catch bear, coon, cat, and lions. I figure 3 out of 4 lets would at least get me in the conversation, guess not. Yep, nobody I know has EVER caught a lion with these ordinary non-brindle WI dogs. Can't be done, don't even waste your time trying.

Catch wrote:

Bplott wrote:There is some very good comments on here...It suprises me how little folks expect from ther dogs tho...

There are some stupid comments as well. After reading all the pages on Walkers Vs. Plotts and who makes the best lion dog I have to laugh. Ole cat and bear and nolte are in the middle of and I will bet they have never caught a lion with there own dogs. Cat and bear, load those great dogs of your up and lets go lion hunting. Just a bunch of wind bags.

I do know a little about lion hunting, and what makes a good dog. Plotts make real good lion dogs but not the best. I wouldn't own a Blue Tick, to much bawling and not enough speed to push cats hard enough. Black and tans make awesome cat dogs if you can find the good ones. Walkers make the best cats dogs from what I have seen and I have seen some damn good ones.

Well your a funny man Catch, meker colorado 97, I came by myself, these walker bobcat mutts, treed two lion females, one with maybe 50 lb or smaller kits, and let both females go. the only problem was i met a couple real nice locals, and enjoyed one tree with them. Then I treed a nice tom in front of a local, guiding for cabela's. He came to my tree, and asked if i was going to shoot it, if not his client was. Real sportsman . I said, well lets split things,since your dogs or you had nothing to do with it. he said you f'in wi guys take our game this is my living, guiding. Must not have been the first WI guy to spank him:lol: I pulled out my trusty pistol and shot a decent 160lb tom, out it fell, problem solved. He went crying down the hill. So no hot air here jackass. To me lion hunting is like coon hunting, not much in it for me, and no thrill especialy when you have bear hunted all your life, I wouldnt drive across the street to kill another one. Does nothing for me. If you want to come back and hunt some bobcat your welcome to, My Willy dog will spank you fair and square, and let you drive home wondering what happened I dont know much and am no expert, other then my one hunting trip and experiences, but a lion track made the night before, seemed like a coon dog or dam collie could smell one of those stinking things on snow. Maybe it was just these sorry WI dogs I brought

its amazing the stories that are told that can not be verified

Yea, and you seem to be an expert, no pics, or statistics, on what you can or have done, with them famous plotts, i can verify anything I post, want to see my dogs and the lion?, i can dig them out, want to see the cubs in a tree? Dig them out to, Problem is, to you it isnt free, send me a hundred dollars for my time, and i will gladly find and post them, for you. Oh, and the guy had a 4 door ford, with tom cat on the bug gard. Still making it up??. Ask him if a WI guy shot a tom out of a tree right in front of him with a pistol??. If he denies it, he is still sore from the spanking. Done proving myself, I think maybe you need to prove a little, all i have seen from you is ignorance And your pretty good at it

I never said my plotts were famous. But to pay your broke A** a hundred dollars to see the fruit of someone elses labor... ha your funny. I personally find it distastefull to take photographs of dead game. To me it does not show the respect that the game deserves but if others want to go for it. I understand that you have a shallow ego that can not take criticism and that is why you put out the statement unless he is sore.Hell I have a couple of thousand acres of land that is in our family come brings those mutts you have and prove them here on my land... or wait do you need the hundred dollars to fetch a grey hound?

Told you, I wouldnt drive across the street to hunt or kill another lion, thank for the offer

tis amazing when you have to walk the walk or simply put cash teh checks your ego writes that you can not afford

Hey come on back here, lets hunt these Bobcats, 500 a jump fair enough? I'll leave the light on for ya, deer season will be over the week after thanksgiving, and we should have snow by then

the post was about lions. I have no desire to hunt anything but the southwest. My dogs hunt dry ground not the swamps. We have bobcat here and you are the one with the one hit wonder cat dogs that have already hunted in my area so bring yours down here and I will take the $500 a pop catch rate.