My debate

[Unreal_tk]

I have two female grade Cameron Smokey river blueticks... just turned a year old. I'm considering how and what to add next. I'm considering the idea of adding some running blood to them. This isn't a cross I'd do right now but I need to plan my ideas in the future. I was thinking along the lines of a 3/4 treeing dog 1/4 running to breed to them. Right now they are pretty good dogs but slower than my walker x plott. I love my blueticks but I was curious if running blood would help out on the speed of my dogs in the long run. I'm pretty fine with the other qualities I was just curious if any one had done this with bluetick

[tedsmith]

I crossed my redtick female to a full running dog looking for more track speed and a more heads up running style only two lived but we will see how it goes I have a friend in Kansas that has been doing it with blueticks his dogs do well

[oneguy828]

I have been wondering the same thing. I see everything about these walker running dog crosses. Has anybody experimented with blues crossed with running dogs? It seems like it would be logical, it seems alot of people consider the bluetick breed to be a little slower on track. so why would you not want to cross to try to get faster track style on the blues?? I like where you are going with this thread.

[dwalton]

It would be a interesting think to try. The walker and running dog are from the same back ground, closer to the sane type of dog than the Blueticks. I think you would get a far wider range of characteristic. The type of Bluetick would make a difference also. Dewey

[Unreal_tk]

Dewey would you elaborate on your theory. Just wanting food for thought. I think you would have a variable difference in all of them. But if a Guy kept a whole litter and culled what he thought wasn't good. You could keep crossing that til you had your dogs your way.

[dwalton]

The walkers all come from the same back ground. Some treeing walkers can move a track like a running already. Heads up , not baking at the same place twice moving a track good. Some blueticks can do this also but some old stile long eared dogs like to smell a track to much, stay in the same place opening over and over again, they just like the smell to much to get down the road to catch the cat. To get the odds in your favor you breed like to like to get what you want. Two dogs that are totally different mentality on tracks will give you a broader range of traits to pass on. Thus more culling and more breeding to get what is desirable, to move a track fast and to tree a cat. Do you think the blueticks are colder nose or do they just make more noise and hammer a track harder. I feel all hounds can smell about the same, what we call colder noise is just what they do with it when they smell a track. It has nothing to do with the dog, it has everything to do with our interpretation with what we think is happening. In other words the story we make up. Dewey

[Ker_man]

I have a friend who has bred a Sabastien bred female to diffrent males one of which was a running walker with possibly a little trigg. This dog is very agressive and it is said the real deal though I've never seen him. The guys got some very good dogs from this breeding agressive and good track dogs, not sure about the treeing. I have a dog from a diffrent male and the same female that is 1/4 running walker tall good looking dog(bluetick) with great voice but lacks contration to be really good. Starting over I would go with treeing walker running dog cross preferably from a breeding that has worked out in the past. You can waste years reinventing the wheel. Terry

[Unreal_tk]

I mostly love the looks of blueticks but they seem much better personality than the walkers I've seen. I think your right on the nose bit. Moving tracks at faster speeds isn't my main goal. Its a dog to keep up with the game once its jumped per say. I think a slow track mover is your safer bet til the jump then speed and smarts come into play. I could be wrong I'm new to this game but I want to have great dogs that I also like to have to look at. But wanting to start looking at a breeding program to start.

[Dads dogboy]

Fellows,

Lots of Bobcats die each year in S TX and parts of OK from Bluetick/Running Walker or Trigg crosses.

If U want to keep the BLuetick color, get a hold of Turtledove on her and get a BTck Penn-Marydel. Make sure you have strong Treeing in your Bltck as there is very little Tree in thr PMD. You will add speed, mouth, and brains with the "RIGHT" PMD.

Jost a thought!

CJC

[mondomuttruner]

Dewey, your the first person I've heard say all dogs smell scent the same. (relatively speaking) I've always felt the same way, same with rigging, it's all in what their brain tells them to do with the scent. It's hard to get somebody to agree with that thought process.

[Unreal_tk]

Thanks clay I'm not really wanting to buy that dog but I might have to buy a pup or try a breeding... I have decent treeing ability but they are young yet so its hard to tell for sure yet but hopefully maybe that's a avenue to pursue.

[BEAR HUNTER]

I crossed a male trigg to a swamp rooster bred female. She was cold nosed, hard headed, and a super tree dog. She was also a track straddler but would tree her own bear. 4 pups lived. All made super dogs and are fast on track but all were different. One was semi silent on track and light on tree. One turned out hard tree dog but with the trigg trait of not wanting to cold trail. One turned out a super tree dog, will cold trail but picks her head up when the track warms up and puts it up a tree fast, and is very open on track. The last will also cold trail and trees hard but tends to be more silent on track. All in all everyone who got a pup wont part with it for anything. Two are red tick colored and the other two are saddle back walker looking dogs. Hope this helps.

[festus]

The walkers all come from the same back ground. Some treeing walkers can move a track like a running already. Heads up , not baking at the same place twice moving a track good. Some blueticks can do this also but some old stile long eared dogs like to smell a track to much, stay in the same place opening over and over again, they just like the smell to much to get down the road to catch the cat. To get the odds in your favor you breed like to like to get what you want. Two dogs that are totally different mentality on tracks will give you a broader range of traits to pass on. Thus more culling and more breeding to get what is desirable, to move a track fast and to tree a cat. Do you think the blueticks are colder nose or do they just make more noise and hammer a track harder. I feel all hounds can smell about the same, what we call colder noise is just what they do with it when they smell a track. It has nothing to do with the dog, it has everything to do with our interpretation with what we think is happening. In other words the story we make up. Dewey

Dewey,

That is one of the best post's I have seen on this board. I agree with you 100%

[Liz ODell]

If you are looking for varmint style blueticks you might want to research the Buzz Anderson dogs. I also have old Hammer/Uchtman blood that runs a track like what you are looking for. I made a cross onto a Buzz Anderson dog...dynamite so far. Although some of the Buzz dogs can be HIGH strung...I'm always trying different crosses and if you want a running style dog with a bluetick hide and a good nose the Anderson dogs might fit you, I believe Buzz is still alive he lives in Oklahoma. The dogs were similar to the old Ormiston blood but Guy kept the big dogs and Buzz bred smaller tighter dogs. Something to consider anyway.