silent dogs

[coastrangecathunting]

a catdog that is simi silent will catch cats quicker that an open mouthed dog because the suprise the simi silent dog puts on the cat. because a dog is silent dosnt meen it will make a catdog. you will have more pop ups with the silent dog .

jc

[Borderpond]

Jimmy, I think I know just what you mean. Just because a dog is silent certainly doesnt mean its going to be a good cat dog. I am pretty sure a really top hound with an open mouth will tree a lot more cats than a silent dog that is of average or lesser ability.Now that being said, 2 hounds of equal ability, one silent and one open mouth, I would bet that the silent one would tree more cats.

[Warner5]

Find a guy that will take you along that has one of these semi-silent, bobcat catch dogs. Then you will have a way better understanding about what is ment by semi-silent. To me semi-silent is just a different way of saying productive barking. perfect timing from the dog. You see I enjoy the silent portion of a race, to me a good bobcat race is more of a chess match than a drag race. I have a hard time reading a fully open dog on a cat race, but once I get to know a semi-silent dog I can damn near narrate it. And pop-ups arnt luck when you have the right dog. jmo. thankyou John.

[mondomuttruner]

A good silent dog may catch more cats than a good barking (not babbling) dog mostly because it takes energy to bark and a little attention to bark, like when your talking on the phone while driving, a little distracted. If I want a dog to sneak up on a cat I'll take my springer hunting. It's all about listening to a race not looking at the garmin. Don't get all bent out of shape over this post, JMO.

Semi-silent? If this is a dog that only barks when there's a track in front, when you can tell whether the dog is barking following the cat on an old rut or if in virgin snow, if the dog is 10 yds, 50 yds, or 200yds behind the cat, then thats the kind of dog I like. I mentioned snow, we don't run em on dry ground here.

Silent dogs don't last long in my yard.

[dwalton]

What I want is a cat dog that does not bark off track, meaning when he barks he has the track and is moving it. If you could watch your dogs on a cat track you would see how much they really bark off track. Making noise when it is not forwarding the track is going to lose you some cats in the tree. I feel that people that feel that only a few dogs work best on cats either have not seen a strait pack of cat dogs work a cat or don't expect enough out of there dogs. I do not run silent dogs but they had better be doing something when they are opening. Dewey

[briarpatch]

Amen all the way, Dewey.

briarpatch

[mondomuttruner]

I'm with ya all the way Jimmy! Different part of the country but were on the same page.

[twist]

I agree with alot that has been said on here I like an open dog ON THE TRACK as well as anyone but have been around a few so called silent catdogs and they can do a nice job big difference in a silent dog and a silent cat dog. When hunting this type of a dog with an open dog you will ussualy find the silent cat dog to be in the lead alot of the times and once the cat is jumped this style of dog usually starts to open up some and when hunting with other dogs the others should honor the dog and get in on the jump and this team can put the hurt on a jumped bobcat. As for a dog drifting a track and opening and a dog babbling off the track a person can tell this in a big hurry the babbling type a person might as well chain it up and head back to the truck as they are worthless in my eyes but then again this is just my opinion. Andy

[coastrangecathunting]

u bring your terrier over her and catch a cat jimmy . i will give u 10 days . u can even bring your prediter call. a simi silent dog will catch cats quicker than a mouthy dog .. when i say simi silent i meen a dog that barks every 100 yards on a jump. maybe 10 seconds between barks. if the other dogs dont get to them then they are slung. when u have seen a dog like this it makes cat hunting easy . when u have a dog do this and hunt dogs after that dog is gone u realize wha a catdog is . i have a pack of catdogs right now . when i starty a cat and dont catch it im shocked. but i dont have what i consider a real cat dog. simi silent pop them up on a regular basis CATDOG. not saying thats what it takes to catch cats just saying the best producers of cats were these types of dogs. u have to have a dog that preasers a cat. suprise is preasure .

jc

[coastrangecathunting]

a babbly dog is always sucking hind tit shock it and if u cant stop it ,its a coon dog.

jc

[dwalton]

I think most of us is on the same page. We hunt the dogs to hear them and to catch game. In the southeast hog dogs and squirrel dogs run silent they are just meat dogs but work great if you like to eat squirrel or hogs. Vern Hopkins use to tell me about hunting on the Klamath River breaks with a Lab in snow that would only tree on a cat where he could not catch them with a open mouth dog. I will run two dogs that I have that are real tight mouth in areas where there is a lot of rims and holes and will catch cats that would get away from my large pack into a hole. Each to there own but it is sure fun to listen to a pack trail up and jump a cat and drive it to a tree. Dewey

[Warner5]

I have yet to see a true totaly silent hound. And I dont know any houndsmen that would put up with it even if there was one. I just assumed you were talking about semi-silent. thankyou John.

[kordog]

I have yet to see a true totaly silent hound. And I dont know any houndsmen that would put up with it even if there was one. I just assumed you were talking about semi-silent. thankyou John.

i got stuck hunting with a guy that had a silent dog one day we were coyote hunting i was the transportation so i couldnt leave . the dog ran for 9 hours ,and all he had was a maxima 5000 for tracking gear .so basically we followed this july around all day and i never heard one bark ,but you would see in the snow where the dog was right on the coyote.i will never let that happen again!that was the most boring day afield with dogs id ever had in my life.later on he aquired a garmin which made the total difference with that dog as far as getting the coyote. she chased a coyote on thin ice ,and drowned just as he was getting to her a couple years later .needless to say i wont miss that hound a bit ,but she was his favorite dog ,and who am i to say what he should be hunting and feeding.i just refuse to hunt with a dog like that even with a garmin.i breed for open mouth trail dogs that bark with a purpose when they catch game it isnt because they snuck up on it. thats my cup of tea.,but ive seen semi silent hounds that could eat my feed any day.to each their own ,because there are guys out there that wouldnt feed my open trailers .

[kordog]

that guy got pretty good at killing coyotes with that silent dog ,and the garmin you could tell when the dog picked up speed that the coyote was jumped you know where it was headed where it had been when it was stopped ,because even though it was silent it was a hard going dog that wouldnt quit ,and he could depend on the fact that the dog was doing its part ,and all he had to do was get in their and shoot the coyote.a houndsman has to know his dogs wether their silent or not when you get right down to it.dogs are not always in hearing.alot of guys can tell you what their dogs are doing with the beep beep systems or none at all from hunting them alot,but the garmin sure does cut alot of the guess work out.not all dogs make pup trainers ,and a silent dog is sure at the bottom for that in my opinion.especially for the way i hunt and train .

[Warner5]

Jimmy I'm just curious. I know quit a few houndsmen and none of them have, have had or ever will have any silent hounds. Where are all these silent hounds? I call my cat dog semi-silent, I catch enough. And I do not own a tracking system. I would not be able to train a silent hound, how would I know what its trailing? I prefer semi-silent because thats what I have learned to hunt. When my dogs open I can read the race, it only takes a few minutes and I have determined what my dogs are on by the pattern of their barks. Not trying to ruffle anyone up here but I have a difficult time reading a race when the dogs are fully open. Those of you who can my hats off to you. When I hear dogs barking every step like they are jumped I instantly think deer race, I find myself hoping for a lose so I can relax a bit. I have been unable to train what I consider a finished fully open cat dog. But by no means do I think one could not be as productive given the right dog and trainer. This experience is mine molded by the dogs I have raised and the area I hunt. Its very brushy here most race's are heard then described by a persons minds eye. Good hunting snow is also a luxury we rarely see here. We all tend to remember our first good dog without knowing it we try to emulate that dog. Why because thats what worked and we got comfortable with it. I do not have it all figured out and anyone that say's he does is done learning. I try to take a little learning from all of you to better myself,although sometimes it takes a few days for it to sink in. Jimmy dont bring your terriers over here. Train your hounds up the way you want them so you are happy. On the mountain with your dogs it wont really matter what someone else thinks or does, the only time another persons opinion seems to bother me is when I'm at my computer. Hopefully I came across right, its difficult to discuss dogs and techniques with someone from another county let alone a different state. The best I can do is realise where some of you are coming from then try to understand why you hunt the way you do. And thats the best I can do. Well I have some fences to check, you all have a good day. Thankyou respectfully John Warner.