Myths about cat dogs

dwalton · Post by **dwalton** » Tue May 22, 2012 8:37 pm

This should get a little conversation going. It's raining hard here to much time inside. IT TAKES A FAST DOG TO CATCH BOBCATS. If this was true we would be running greyhounds on bobcats. A dog has to be able to move a track steady without looses to catch a bobcat. Dogs that over run a track, make a loose at roads, at streams, at windfall patches, when a cat changes direction or over shoots a track can make for a long race. A bobcat is not hard to tree if there is steady pressure on put on the cat. That steady pressure will make a dog look fast. What do you think and what are some other myths that people have that are not true. Dewey

Unreal_tk · Post by **Unreal_tk** » Tue May 22, 2012 8:49 pm

"Silent will only catch cats"

I hate hearing that, my dogs are fully open and seem to do ok.

"Long ear dogs are slow"

Another one I disagree with.

A few others might come to mind later.

CRA · Post by **CRA** » Tue May 22, 2012 10:10 pm

The biggest myth about cat dogs and cat hunting is that bobcats bale out of tree's at night or day when the hunter is approaching the tree. If a cat dog put the cat up, its there to stay. It's very, very rare for a cat to jump out of a tree, even in the short tree country where I live. The only exception is if you have a tree climber and the climber runs the cat out of the tree.

When I hear someone saying this all I can think of is old Jerry Clower. "There ain't nothing worse than a lying coon dog"!

slowandeasy · Post by **slowandeasy** » Tue May 22, 2012 10:40 pm

+1

Warner5 · Post by **Warner5** » Tue May 22, 2012 10:42 pm

Pop-ups are luck. John.

coastrangecathunting · Tue May 22, 2012 11:09 pm

to be a finished catdog u only run cat. the best cat dog i ever owned would tree anything that could climb. like i have said before if she opened on a track just get your gun because she was catching it. the only decision u had to make was grab the 22. or the 444. when she was 11 yrs old she treed 28 cats during cat season.

jc

Larry Emery · Post by **Larry Emery** » Wed May 23, 2012 1:22 am

CRA
The biggest myth about cat dogs and cat hunting is that bobcats bale out of tree's at night or day when the hunter is approaching the tree. If a cat dog put the cat up, its there to stay. It's very, very rare for a cat to jump out of a tree, even in the short tree country where I live. The only exception is if you have a tree climber and the climber runs the cat out of the tree.

When I hear someone saying this all I can think of is old Jerry Clower. "There ain't nothing worse than a lying coon dog"!

Well if you care to come and give it a try here in Mn. your sure to forget about Jerry Clower, our cats here bale out a lot. It is also very common for them to stay on the ground and bay up.

dwalton · Post by **dwalton** » Wed May 23, 2012 1:32 am

Have you seen them bail out? If so is it when you walk up? I hear they do back east but have never seen it here in 45 years hunting and five western states. Dewey

twist · Post by **twist** » Wed May 23, 2012 1:44 am

Very rare for them to bail here , have seen 3 in 30 yrs of hunting in this area. The one that cracks me up is if the hound has pink feet they wont hold up in hard hunting conditions. lol Andy

Larry Emery · Post by **Larry Emery** » Wed May 23, 2012 2:01 am

Dewey; Yes I have seen cats bale out on many occasions, the best way to try and get them to stay put is to be quiet and try and sneak into the tree, and even then a lot of the time when you are sitting at the tree they will bale out.

al baldwin · Post by **al baldwin** » Wed May 23, 2012 2:07 am

Very rare for cats to bail in my hunting area, can only remember three bailing on thier own. Probly been a couple that I don/t recall. Not that unusual for cats to refuse to tree here, have wondered why some refused with all the trees we have here. Those that refuse make me respect a hound that suceeds. Infact cats that tree, found it difficult to make most of them bail. Sure have no knowledge of what cats do in other areas. Just my experience. Thanks Al Baldwin

LarryBeggs · Post by **LarryBeggs** » Wed May 23, 2012 2:28 am

That one dog cant keep enuogh pressure on a rough cat to catch them as consistantly as a most packs .My dad had two different dogs growing up that I would take individualy over any other combination of dogs we have ever had.I know that a pack put together right is very lethal .I believe what people tell me about it.But doing 99% of my hunting in my life in a 3 county area I havnt seen it.I have seen individual dogs others have had I would take over the pack scenario also. And I know these dogs are rare but training and maintaining a large pack isnt possible for most hunters.I also have a question for Dewey.That little walker female you talked about in" The One post".How many different packs have you owned in your life at different times would you have kept over her?

coastrangecathunting · Wed May 23, 2012 2:59 am

larry i would trade every dog i have and have had in the last 20 years for the cindy female i was talking about in the above post. looking back i trained her without all the fancy tracking stuff and e collars. im sure warner would do the same for bud dog.

jc

dwalton · Post by **dwalton** » Wed May 23, 2012 3:42 am

Larry: A outstanding dog is hard to beat. At the time of her I had a half sister that worked well with her. The two together were a great team. I have a female now that goes back to her that is one of the top dogs that I have ever hunted. I have more good dogs now than I have ever owned at one time all being able to catch cats own there own. As a group they are better than her but I don't think anyone is as good as she was. I have caught more cats with these than I did with them. With her, her sister, a 1/2 Trig and a 1/2 July I treed 8 and holed 1 in 48 hours. With these I treed 2 and caught 2 on the ground in 10 hours and three the next day with these, both groups could get it done. Dewey

CRA · Post by **CRA** » Wed May 23, 2012 11:16 am

Larry Emery wrote: Well if you care to come and give it a try here in Mn. your sure to forget about Jerry Clower, our cats here bale out a lot. It is also very common for them to stay on the ground and bay up.

Larry,

Between me and the tight circle of cat hunters I have been around it's very rare. I can account for many, many, cats and only a few that jumped out on their own (2). My 39 years experience is only in, The State of California, the East and West side, and a trip to Montana and Oregon.

Those big bruiser cats you guy's have that far North may think they can whip a dog and will jump down and do it! I seen a video from Maine where almost every cat caught wouldn't tree, they would just bay on the ground like a bear, that I wouldn't of believed unless I seen.

I would have to say it's the sub-species of cats you have that far North. It's not uncommon for a mature Tom to tip the scale in the mid to high thirties.

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