to all the BEARHUNTERS out there

[ryan goodwin]

Just a question for all bearhunters how many of you think its the bear killing the dog our is it dogs in the pack killing the dogs. I have had dogs get the living S#$% tore out of them but never killed i do know guys that have had a dog killed by a bear but i allso know a guy that loses a dog our two every year./ My thought on that is i have hunted with this guy and his dogs are extremly growley ther for i no longer hunt with him. so i thought i would ask on here what your thoughts are.

[bearcat]

Dogs do get killed by bear, but ninety percent of the dogs that are "killed by a bear" are killed by a wounded bear or a dog fight. I'm always amazed how many bear kill a dog at the base of a tree and then climb it

[Houndswoman]

If you really want to know, skin the dead dog. If a calf or sheep is killed by something and it is not obvious what it was killed by, then the federal trapper around here skins it.

Good luck.

[Redwood Coonhounds]

I've never heard of a lot of people loosing dogs that often. I mean it happens and it happened to me. But I've never heard of someone loosing that many dogs that I'd start thinking dogs did it. Had dogs ate up, seen dogs ate up, and heard about dogs getting in fights, but its just not that common.

Someone getting dogs killed every year, either has crazy dogs or can't shoot a bear properly.

Lost two dogs this year to bear. Niether bear climbed. One the bear was shot off the dog. The other no one seen it happen, or knew until after the bear was dead. The dog only had about 5 holes in him, relatively small punctures. But I've never seen another dog crush a dogs head, neck, shoulder and spine. So we'll just go ahead and say it's safe to asume the bear killed him.

[mike martell]

ryan, 99%of the time when a dog gets killed it is hunter ignorance, at a tree a dog should be tied back on the up hill side , when the game is taken a good handler would be between the game and the dogs, if the game gets away , i never turn all the dogs on it, i always used one dog , a dog i knew would not lose control of the situation, this way you don't provoke stupid behavior , beside just one dog is easier to get around to finish the job, not buying the bear killing the dog theory, as last count i caught well over 1000 oregon black bears and had one dog killed, that dog bought it in some cliffs, seen dozens die at the hands of cross dogs, only get to catch a few these days as i have to travel to hunt,

[doug]

mike,sent you a pm.

[ryan goodwin]

mike i totally agree with you i was just wondering what everybody else thought, and by the way that kate and amos dogs where awesome i had the privilege to hunt with kate and man what a dog

[Cold Track]

I would bet at least 80% of the time they've been killed at the tree by the rest of the dogs from being growly .

[mike martell]

ryan, thanks ,yes those two are etched deep into my memory, what got you to switch from the plotts, i remember frank methven talking about the young man from washington state with some good plotts, curious to see what changed you as well, i was a hardened plott man, and just laughed at the good walker men, i said i would have to see it to believe it, well guess what those spotted dogs embarased my only a few times, i quit the plotts, never went back, mine were bred, ron hill, bear path gunner, haug, tony brown, carl carney, frank staub, the worst i ever hunted was from the ursus line, well now i done it, i'm gonna get some hate mail, of these lines i did have some ground pounding big game dogs, a guy named clayton archibek hunted with tommy barnes in the past ,he told me around 1978 if i ever found a strain of walkers i would hunt nothing else, the problem with the walkers is there is about 500 times more than any other breed, translates to way more culls,

[ryan goodwin]

yes mike that was me that frank was talking about, but i only had one plott ad i ran her with a walker they were my cat dogs probley the two best cat dogs i have ever hunted but back then i was young and dumb, the thing that change me was my brother travis stirek and his wife bobbie they started hunting this line we have now and man what a eye opener. i would never ever go back to anything else. Back when i had those dogs i was strickly a cat hunter now i love my bear hunting and the cats. this blood just has it for me and i have turned a few guys that hunt with me on it now there getting pups from my next litter.

[Catch]

ryan, thanks ,yes those two are etched deep into my memory, what got you to switch from the plotts, i remember frank methven talking about the young man from washington state with some good plotts, curious to see what changed you as well, i was a hardened plott man, and just laughed at the good walker men, i said i would have to see it to believe it, well guess what those spotted dogs embarased my only a few times, i quit the plotts, never went back, mine were bred, ron hill, bear path gunner, haug, tony brown, carl carney, frank staub, the worst i ever hunted was from the ursus line, well now i done it, i'm gonna get some hate mail, of these lines i did have some ground pounding big game dogs, a guy named clayton archibek hunted with tommy barnes in the past ,he told me around 1978 if i ever found a strain of walkers i would hunt nothing else, the problem with the walkers is there is about 500 times more than any other breed, translates to way more culls,

Maybe those Plotts are just a little to much horse power for ya. I have owned and hunted with all those mentioned and in my opinion you are in left field. I have yet to see a dog tree a bear like a plott will, period.

[mike martell]

catch treed over 1000 bears you probably are right i probably never caught on to how to hunt,

[mike martell]

catch read the post, i said of these lines i had some ground pounding big game dogs. i caught game with the plotts , in oregon on the coast was very demanding, i tried one plott from ursus line it was a cull, at the same time a guy i was hunting with had six, steve bought all 6 back, i eliminated mine, the carl carney dog was slapwater jack crossed to a staub female was a cull , the willard woodby b.p. gunner dogs were two littermates not bear dogs , the ron hill dogs and some from a renegade plott man named ralph ledford were the only plotts that worked to catch bear for me in oregon,grade plotts, born, bred, raised on the turf i hunted, leroy haug dogs were better coon dogs out west, i know my plotts were as good as any mans, the walkers have more culls than the plott line , as there is more walkers, the line i hunt has the most culls of any breed of dogs i ever messed with , i happen to hook up with some guys who make there living with them , they educated me to the right strain of dogs, for me i probably ain't like no one else, i hunt two to three dogs on big game, the thing i found is if you live out west get your dogs out west if you have good dogs breed them, as i have found the guys who breeds to sell, don't sell there best, sorry i just state the facts as i see them ,

[Catch]

Every ones hunting styles are different, some dogs work and some don't.

[tom]

i own an ursus plott i bought from steve. it is by far the best dog i've ever owned. he was a born natural, from day one he was going and catching game. this last winter he caught a loin on the ground and got tore up pretty bad and still put it up a tree and held it their for over ten hours untill i got their.