Question about litter mates

[treetalkingjp]

I hear all the time that brothers out of the same litter have the same noses . But I don't find that true I think one dog in the litter can have better nose then all pups in the litter. I've been told by a few people they all are equal just one excels at using there nose better . So just wondering what you guys and dog breeders that's had dogs for decades think?

[dwalton]

I think all dogs have about the same nose. What makes the difference is all the rest of the genes that each one gets. No two dogs are the same. Dewey

[lynx]

I do not think all litter mates have the same nose. some are more athletic taller shorter or just enough smarter to be able to use there nose better.AT the same time I have had litter mates that were equal .if they have it they have it.

[treetalkingjp]

thanks for the reply lynx.

[driftwood blue]

I simply do not believe it.. there are some litters that seem to be pretty even then others are yards apart in the nose department..
if maintaining bloodlines means much then they should be predictable But that is not always the case..
some years back I bred a female that was predominately Sebastian stock from Bill Siers stock crossed on my old Cotton hound.. she was a good steady hound that could Trail a bad track fast.
I bred her to Lucky twice-- the 1st litter there was 2 females -- Both had way better than average noses in the woods. the 2nd cross there were 7 pups that made maturity and they got hunted.
I let Mike Leroy of St John Ks have one female and Glenn Lee Lacy of Miltonvale KS have a female--both of those 2 could not smell a 3 minute old track. the rest of that litter had about as good of trailing power as the 2 from the first cross

Mike had told me that Peppy had the drive and desire that should have made a good one but she never treed before his old dog.
I brought her back here and he was exactly right.. on a proven 5 minute old trail she could not figure out where it went..
I brought the other back and gave the same test.. she could not smell a fresh track either..

By the way Glenn Lee had one from the first litter he called Angel.. she had an outstanding nose and could wind coon over a quarter mile and run to the tree and locate it..--the one I had I called Music-- Ron Krepps raised a litter from her and he could tell one of the nose on her.

all litters and individuals are different!

[JTG]

Yep. The closer they are related the closer they are the same but still different. JTG

all litters and individuals are different!

[Nolte]

All dogs are different. Dogs carry 39 pairs of chromosomes while humans only have 23 pairs. So if you took two coins and flipped them the odds of getting the same outcome for two dogs after flipping 39 times is so minute it's hard to comprehend. This doesn't even factor in the genes and protein pairs and more scientific mumbo jumbo than any hound dogger can even fathom.

As for litters, it seems that there are better and worse nosed dogs in each litter. But there seems to be a trend that the litter as a whole on average is either worse or better than normal. So you might get one wicked cold dog and a few that are pretty cold with some average ones. I generally don't see one wicked cold dog and the rest hot nosed. Granted this is with related or similar dogs bred. Meaning if you breed a dog that can't smell a 5 minute track and one that can grind a 10 hour old track, you won't end up with 5 hour old dogs. You'll get some all over the map and probably trending towards the hotter side. JMO.

The only way to get dogs identical is to clone them, then it becomes a nature vs nurture battle where experiences play into how the dog finishes out. I'd about bet that cloning is a little out of my income bracket.

Has anyone ever seen dogs that are paternal twins, where the egg splits and creates two pups? Even these are only "nearly" identical as the genes mutate at certain stages of development.

[Tbblue]

I think ur chances if gettin similar noses n other traits are far greater from hounds that have been line breed for that for many years. The hounds I am hunting n breeding have been line bred for 45+ yrs. n this holds true with them.

[JTG]

I agree, one way to explain it is to look at your brother and cousins and see how different they look and act and they are related. So not only is each litter different, every litter with the same mating will be different, unless they are linebred for many generations and they will still be different but not as different as 99% of the hounds out there. If you want to speed up the process inbreed for many generations.
I heard some good things about your dogs and I am glad to see your sticking with it.
JTG

I think ur chances if gettin similar noses n other traits are far greater from hounds that have been line breed for that for many years. The hounds I am hunting n breeding have been line bred for 45+ yrs. n this holds true with them.

[treetalkingjp]

Jtg, you herd about my dogs ? Or tbblues dogs ? Your initials look like I recognize them.

[JTG]

I was taking about John Ray's blues, but I am sure yours are good to. JTG

Jtg, you herd about my dogs ? Or tbblues dogs ? Your initials look like I recognize them.

[treetalkingjp]

Hahaha jtg I just wish they was as good as half the people's on here . But yeah I want a John ray dog , kinda herd they was a waiting list . But I'm waiting with a spot open and money ready . Let me know when you are having a litter