dryground lion hunting

Talk about Cougar Hunting with Dogs
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What it really boils down to is what kind of country you choose to hunt, and what your preferred method of hunting is, not so much what dogs can or can't do.

Any good rig dog should not miss a good lion track and if that's how you like to hunt, then you hunt that way and drive around until you hit a good lion track that's catchable. If you don't, you go home and try again next time.

If you are in country with few roads, that might not be the best way to go. Just depends on how you like to hunt and what your country will give you. Rigging could be productive in some areas, but would be basically pointless in others.

Depends on the terrain, the number of roads and access, etc... Ike said he rigged and caught six lions last year off the truck and probably enjoyed himself more than if he was hiking ridges all day.

But my buddy hunts off a horse and the months he hunts hard he averages about six a month. So try telling him rigging is the way to go. But that is how he prefers to hunt and his horse gets him into country no truck has seen.

So rigging lions isn't the most productive way to hunt if you are looking to stack up numbers, but it's not a contest to most people and most don't care about numbers. If you like to go drag roads and look for sign, then go for it. If you like saddling up a mule and riding all day then that's the best way to hunt.

If you like driving around with dogs on the rig, then you should do it. And if you like to wait until the snow falls and run roads on a machine, then by all means go for it.

There is no "best way" to hunt lions, it's all about how you like to hunt. But rigging a lion isn't some new fancy method that no one has ever known about until now. We've rigged lions while bear hunting a number of times but my partner won't turn out. He's a bear hunter and could care less about lions. But any solid rig dog with lion experience should not miss a good lion track.

And for some it's all about the catch, if they don't put something in a tree then the day is a failure. I know some who hate a dog that will rig stuff that it can't catch, for others they don't care if the dog rigs something cold, dinks around with it for awhile and then you load them up and move on. That's a success to them. Everybody is different, dogs are different and every track is different.

What a guy does in Oregon might not be as successful in Arizona, and visa versa. I've been to places where rigging off a truck would be the only way to go. Been to places where a truck can't even get you to the game so you might as well go rig around the parking lot at Walmart.

So you do whatever floats your boat and makes you happy. How many guys do you know that would drive over a hot lion track that the dogs on the truck just blew up on? I know one, my damn partner. :( Because running bears makes him happy, he could care less if he ever catches another lion.

So to me it's not a question of if it's harder to catch in Arizona or up in the snow belt, or if a dog can rig a lion or bobcat or not... It's a question of how you prefer to hunt and what kind of dog suits you and your style.

Ike lives about an hour away from my buddy. Ike prefers to rig off the truck and is probably happier catching 6 lions a year that way then if he knew he could catch 20 lions hunting off a horse like this guy.

And my buddy would rather ride his horse and catch NO LIONS then to drive around hunting out of a truck. Everybody is different and in this game for a number of different reasons...

There is no right or wrong way, and there is no can or can't... hell if a guy wants to drive up and down I-15 at 75 all day with a dog on the rig box, more power to him. One day a damn lion will run across the highway in front of them, they'll swerve to miss him and the dog will blow up on the box.

Then he can write a book about rigging lions off the highway at 75 and have pictures to prove it. ;) ;) And then everyone can call his buddy and hear about how he's been hunting for 50 years and never seen a dog that can rig at high speeds like these dogs.... ;) If that's what floats your boat, more power to you.

If you are having fun and can't wait to go again, you are probably doing it right. If you are miserable and can't hardly drag yourself out hunting you are probably doing something wrong. Hell, if a guy would rather hunt from a computer or coffee shop I think that's fine too!! I know a lot of guys that enjoy sitting around and talking about hunting as much as actually going. Nothing wrong with that either...

But whatever you're doing, it's most likely been done and done again long before you ever did it. But that doesn't mean you can't just keep on doing it!!

Like I've said before, I'm just in it for the fame, riches and super models.
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Dawg,That has to be one of the best posts I have ever read on here.
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I want to thank everyone for getting back on track.All the info was helpful and I'm glad the low blows stopped.Everyone keep this stuff coming as dryground lion hunting seems to be interesting to all of us.One of my most memorible hunts came last weekend when my bother and I fallowed my hounds to a huge bluff were they had pushed the cat in to crack.We were so proud of the hounds that there were very few words spoke until it was over.This track started and ended in a place were there was no snow and the ground was bone dry.Those dogs had locked on and caught that cat inside an hour,it was one of the very few i have ever had that short.Everybody enjoys differnt kinds of hunting, I just happen to love watching them work a cold track on dry ground that we will have to put a whole lot of effort in on to produce any results.That hound music has a very special place in my heart and I don't think i would be whole with out them.Hounds are not a hobby, they are a lifestyle!
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Ike wrote:My dogs rigged and ran down six lions in the dirt this past year, and none of those catches came from a track I found.
The outfitter I work for has had 140 to 160 lions killed over his permit and through his business. He has hunted and ran dogs for over twenty-five years.


I'm no math professor, just an observation. You ran down six in the dirt this past year. That's a lion every two months. If those numbers are correct your outfitter buddy also averaged around 6 lions a year over the 25 years, so that's a lion every other month.

Warner Glenn hunts a mile from the Mexican border and ten feet from hell, in country where a dog could grow old and never see snow. A taxidermist a year or two ago said he took in 12 lions from Warner Glenn clients.

It's a shame we can't pick the brains of a guy like that who can put up game like that in the driest, nastiest country there is.

Sounds to me like that's the guy we should be callin' on the phone. Too bad we can't get a guy like that on here to tell us what he knows. But funny thing is you don't catch that many lions in those conditions sitting on a computer. My guess is Warner was probably hunting while we was all reading the computer and talking about what our dogs can do.

Funny how that works ain't it? ;) But there was still some mighty good information on this thread!!
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Post by Kevin D »

Good post Dawg. Gotta remember too, that not everybody lives in a year round lion unit. A lot of bear hunters I know have turned loose on a blind rig only to end up with a lion in a tree. You never hear them talk about it openly because the cougar season is closed. Rigging lions has been around as long guys with combination dogs have been riggng bear. Like HoundDawg mentioned, if you're hunting lion/bear dogs, you're going to end up catching a few longtails.
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Post by Catch »

It's hard to get hound hunter to tell the truth at times. It also seems that more hunting is being done in coffee shops. I read this stuff for entertainment not help. I have done it all with dogs, and Dawg your post is right on.

Good post Dawg.



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Thas was a great post Hound dawg.Tell that two timing Marissa to quit leaving her crap at my house when she stays over.
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Post by Buddyw »

OK.. Seemed like that one got "WAY" off track.. I spilit it, there was actually getting some really good cconversation on this topic and some really thoughtful Posts about it. I didn't want to see it continue in the direction it turned.

I did my Best to try and leave the Posts that refered to Cat hunting.. and just pulled out the ones that were Entirely Off-Topic.

I don't mind differeing opinions, we just need to remember to keep coming back around to the topic at hand.

Let's Keep this one focused on Cat hunting in General..

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Ike wrote:take a cheap shot at a guy for anything he says and every time he opens his mouth. The only thing I'm gonna post on this board is a screw you back to those guys in the future.


That would be a whole lot of cheap shots because I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone open their mouth as much as you.

And save us the "only thing I'm gonna post on this board is" stuff because everybody on here knows you'll make another 100 posts on here next week and the week after that. So spare us that, since it's about the fourth time you've made that threat and still never stopped long enough to take a breath.

DryTrail, what part of Arizona do you live in? I know some real good hunters in this state, guys that hunt serious and don't sit at a computer all week flapping their gums.

These guys can talk to you about lion hunting and how to catch lions in this state, not driving around in your truck listening to your dogs bark all day and then telling everyone about the cats you rigged.

What part of the state are you in and I might be able to hook you up with some guys and help you out.
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Post by Grzyadms4x4 »

Ike,
SHUT UP!! If you are going to stop posting here then stop threatening and do it. Go over to Coondogs where people apparently gobble up your goop!! Either that or start your own forum like that Majestics guy from California did.


Drytrail,
I'm not sure where ya live, I live in Phx, but i go everywhere I can afford the gas to get to. I sure don't know dryground hunting like Ike or some of the others on here, but I go out all the time and hike around looking for lion. So if you are looking for someone to teach ya anything, it ain't me, but if ya want to go beat the brush and learn as ya go, then p.m. me and I'll go beat the brush with ya.
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Grzyadms4x4 wrote:Ike,
SHUT UP!! If you are going to stop posting here then stop threatening and do it. Go over to Coondogs where people apparently gobble up your goop!! Either that or start your own forum like that Majestics guy from California did.


And you can go square to hell!
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See ya there!! :D
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Ike, have you thought about starting your own forum?
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