Wolves delisted

[three rivers catahoulas]

Auhhhhh I remember bein that age

[kirpa]

Hunting wolves with hounds is legal at least in Finland and Russian. Sweden and Norway i dont know. Those dogs on tube video are maybe some russian hounds. Borzoi is russian greyhound. I dont know how to get one from russian maybe its as unreliable as everything in that country.
Give them something shiny and they sell you everything they can steal.
Here in europe we have borzoi's as well but i think those lines are purely show lines.

[yotabluewalker]

thanks for the info. all i can tell from here is purely showlineson irishes or borzios... i'm going to try collars, vests, and some other interesting things

[david]

didn't want to disapoint the 13 year old too much, but the cyanide guns do not blow up the coyote like a bomb would do. I did some trapping with an Oregon govt trapper, and he used the cyanide guns. The popular name for the guns was "gitters". When the coyote pulled one, cyanide was shot into his mouth and down his throat.

He always had a Blue Healer with him and the dog would have to track the coyote away from the spent cyanide gun. The coyote sometimes had a pretty long final sprint befor falling dead.

The guns were fairly common back then (circa 1980), and were used even on very small sheep ranches near other homes etc. Did dogs die? Yep, much to the joy of the sheep man. what were the dogs doing in his sheep pasture? Sheep had no interest in the guns so they could be right there gaurding the sheep in the pasture with them, unlike leghold traps which would catch the sheep.

The trapper would gladly load the guns with cayene pepper and supply them to hound men. The lure he used was specially formulated to elicit a pull response in the canine (as opposed to dig, or roll). One pull on the pepper loaded gun, and beleive me, the dog would never again pull one of those guns, and the scent was forever marked in his mind.

[Mt Goat]

TRC

Irish Wolfhounds are very good family dogs and great with kids. Growing up my family raised them years, from about 1970-1992. Back when we had Irish Wolfhounds, there were different types. Some just BIG dorkie dogs the had no athletic ability at all, they were mostly show bred dogs. The type we had were used in the show ring also, BUT they were field bred dogs. Our dogs ranged in size from 100-135lbs and 28-35 inches at the shoulders. and could catch a jack rabbit in an open field race. By field type I mean they were gamey. We ran in Lure Coursing and Open Field events. We also had a few that we would run that we would turn loose on coyotes. Running in the river bottoms they would catch coons and possums and skunks too.

I think some of our better dogs back then could have gone toe to toe with a single wolf, but as a whole I dont think the bred has what it takes anymore. Irish Wolfhounds life span is anywhere from 5-11 years the breed as a whole anymore is prone to have cancer problems, bloat and torsion problems, join problems heart problems etc.... Thas what happens when the show people get involved in a breed. They breed for traits that win shows, but that have no other pratical use. When we had them my dad bred them for conformaton too but he was always real concerned about correct movement, and atheltic ability, speed, desire etc... We bred good size dogs, but not the huge clumsy type. as a whole our line was a tad but on the smaller side, but within the breed standard. Now if you could find a Irish Wolfhound from good field stock, (I would start by taking a look at the Lure Coursing dogs and even better Open Field coursing dogs) and crossed that with a real gritty dog like a Catahoula, then cross it back to the Irish Wolfhound to try to get the size back, and then play around with a few crosses you could probabily make a good wolf dog. The key is to create a big moster of a machine thats an athletic, gritty as hell towads his prey.

also Irish Wolfhounds are sight hound. You walk them into sight of whatever it is your hunting and then release them. Once they see the target they would be gone, if the animal wants to run away even better that just builds up their excitement for the catch. The Irish Wolfhounds we had would run to catch and kill. They would get killed or messed up bad if run on a bear or lion because they would fight it.

I saw a web-site a while back where someone was running Irish Wolfhounds crossed with Great Dane, and Pits and Catahoulas and hunting them on hogs. I'll try and find it.

[Marty Lester]

I have crossed hounds with both bulldogs, leopards, and airedales, either one is a very tough dog. (Airedales have very large teeth.)It seemed that the ones from a hound mother had an overall better nose. They ran mostly silent on trail and would only open when they had game in sight. We use cut vest on hogs and they work great but they will tire a dog out faster than without one. The old timers wrote about running airedales with hounds, that might help with wolves. Has anyone tried the livestock protection type like the pyreneese or the anatolian? If you could get a couple of them to run with your hounds they might help.